US politics general thread

[buka001]

Here's an award winning historian that specializes in Hitler for you:
Becoming Hitler: The Making of a Nazi

It contains evidence that at the very least Hitler himself wanted to join the proper socialist party, one would imagine he thought there's something there he agrees with ... according to this article: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...nly-after-another-far-right-group-shunned-him

Given the German Socialist Party was a right wing organisation that tried to incorporate socialist values, which ultimately collapsed as members defected to the Nazi party would indicate just how diametrically opposed a right wing ideology is to socialism. Party members clearly preferred the Nazi ideologies. Socialists were all wiped out from the party by 1938.

Hitler was probably attracted to the right wing policies of the party, since he espoused socialism, quite explicitly.

 

[Unhappy438]

Nazism was aligned with fascism not socialism. The fascists and the communists were sworn enemies. High school stuff to argue otherwise.

 

[rietrot]

Given the German Socialist Party was a right wing organisation that tried to incorporate socialist values, which ultimately collapsed as members defected to the Nazi party would indicate just how diametrically opposed a right wing ideology is to socialism. Party members clearly preferred the Nazi ideologies. Socialists were all wiped out from the party by 1938.

Hitler was probably attracted to the right wing policies of the party, since he espoused socialism, quite explicitly.

Lol. This will never die. Hitler was as socialist as it gets. He had the welfare nanny-state and the identity politics down.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Nazism was aligned with fascism not socialism. The fascists and the communists were sworn enemies. High school stuff to argue otherwise.

High schools will teach you that simplistic interpretation yes. If you take a step back and take in the bigger picture:
- massive amounts of centralization and state control
- oppressed citizens
- voters whipped into a frenzy against some imagined enemy of the mother/fatherland

That is fascism, socialism and communism. Two of which are widely recognized as extreme "leftist", why on earth would the third magically be "right wing" just because modern day retarded socialists think they are somehow superior?

 

[Unhappy438]

High schools will teach you that simplistic interpretation yes. If you take a step back and take in the bigger picture:
- massive amounts of centralization and state control
- oppressed citizens
- voters whipped into a frenzy against some imagined enemy of the mother/fatherland

That is fascism, socialism and communism. Two of which are widely recognized as extreme "leftist", why on earth would the third magically be "right wing" just because modern day retarded socialists think they are somehow superior?

So they were fascist, socialist and communist ? You do realise that the main tenet of fascism is anti communism (which hitler was) but now you're trying to tell me he was actually communist as well. This is hilarious.

 

[buka001]

Lol. This will never die. Hitler was as socialist as it gets. He had the welfare nanny-state and the identity politics down.

Keep on falling for that 1930 era propaganda.

This what Hitler said about his view of Socialism -

Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.

and from Mein Kampf -

Everything depends on tearing the masses away from socialist agitators and shaping them according to völkisch principles.

 

[rietrot]

So they were fascist, socialist and communist ? You do realise that the main tenet of fascism is anti communism (which hitler was) but now you're trying to tell me he was actually communist as well. This is hilarious.

Two groups that's extremely authoritarian, two sides of the same coin, fighting for control. Communism vs socialism vs fascism vs crony capitalism. It is all the same thing.

 

[rietrot]

Keep on falling for that 1930 era propaganda.

Jeez, are you now some kind of nazi apologist?

 

[konfab]

So they were fascist, socialist and communist ? You do realise that the main tenet of fascism is anti communism (which hitler was) but now you're trying to tell me he was actually communist as well. This is hilarious.

They were anti-communist in that they were against the rampant globalism inherent to communism.

Nevertheless, you can take communism, cross out class and put in race/nationality and you have what everyone is calling facism.
This is not the first time I have posted this...

• We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
• We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
• We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
• We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
• We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program


Lets play a game. Who do you think would be more likely to vote for a politician punting these points? A Trump supporter or a Bernie Sanders supporter?

 

[buka001]

Jeez, are you now some kind of nazi apologist?

Mischaracterising Nazi ideologies the way you do, are actual Nazi apologist tactics.

 

[buka001]

They were anti-communist in that they were against the rampant globalism inherent to communism.

Nevertheless, you can take communism, cross out class and put in race/nationality and you have what everyone is calling facism.
This is not the first time I have posted this...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program


Lets play a game. Who do you think would be more likely to vote for a politician punting these points? A Trump supporter or a Bernie Sanders supporter?

Considering actual Nazis have run for election as Republicans, the answer is a moot point.

 

[Unhappy438]

Lets play a game. Who do you think would be more likely to vote for a politician punting these points? A Trump supporter or a Bernie Sanders supporter?

Your game is stupid, why dont you choose other parts of fascism like rampant nationalism and protectionist policies like tariffs and then ask that same question. You muppets think that because fascism and socialism may share common policies that they are the same. You might as well declare lions and rhinos as one because they both have legs and a face.

 

[rietrot]

Lets play a game. Who do you think would be more likely to vote for a politician punting these points? A Trump supporter or a Bernie Sanders supporter?

I like games. Most Trump supporters will agree with that just as quickly as any Bernie supporter. People are sheep they want to be led.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Slow news day?

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Posts like these are always interesting.

Who bought him? When did "they" do this?

What evidence do you have to show this?

Pity that NarrowBandFtw is a bought and paid for shill, just like rietrot and a long list of other shills. When you're so blatantly obvious in your agenda it is hard to watch for the one or two nuggets of information that may be useful.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Given the German Socialist Party was a right wing organisation that tried to incorporate socialist values, which ultimately collapsed as members defected to the Nazi party would indicate just how diametrically opposed a right wing ideology is to socialism. Party members clearly preferred the Nazi ideologies. Socialists were all wiped out from the party by 1938.

Hitler was probably attracted to the right wing policies of the party, since he espoused socialism, quite explicitly.

Almost unbelievable (but not really) that Dinesh D'Souza level arguments about this kind of schit is still being bandied about.

Some handy historical references:

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

German historian and National Socialism expert Joachim Fest characterizes this repurposing of socialist rhetoric as an act of “prestidigitation”:

This ideology took a leftist label chiefly for tactical reasons. It demanded, within the party and within the state, a powerful system of rule that would exercise unchallenged leadership over the “great mass of the anonymous.” And whatever premises the party may have started with, by 1930 Hitler’s party was “socialist” only to take advantage of the emotional value of the word, and a “workers’ party” in order to lure the most energetic social force. As with Hitler’s protestations of belief in tradition, in conservative values, or in Christianity, the socialist slogans were merely movable ideological props to serve as camouflage and confuse the enemy.

 

[Techne]

Hitler was a mixed market fascist.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2

 

[cerebus]

Hitler was a mixed market fascist.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2

I don't know if you Trumpist types are all suffering from some kind of low level autism but you seem to gravitate to those silly political alignment charts like they're holy texts.

 

[rietrot]

Hitler was a mixed market fascist.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2

Thatcher shouldn't be that high up.

 

[Techne]

I don't know if you Trumpist types are all suffering from some kind of low level autism but you seem to gravitate to those silly political alignment charts like they're holy texts.

Aaw cute, triggered by a chart