US politics general thread

[buka001]

Pity John Oliver is a bought and paid for shill, just like Trevor Noah and a long list of other shills. When you're so blatantly obvious in your agenda it is hard to watch for the one or two nuggets of information that may be useful.

Posts like these are always interesting.

Who bought him? When did "they" do this?

What evidence do you have to show this?

 

[cerebus]

Posts like these are always interesting.

Who bought him? When did "they" do this?

What evidence do you have to show this?

Oh it's just NBFTW's usual response to information he doesn't want to hear. I'm quite surprised, given that he's such a professed libertarian and all; I figured he'd have a strong opinion on the tariff wars.

 

[Unhappy438]

Did Narrow delete his post?

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Posts like these are always interesting.
Who bought him? When did "they" do this?
What evidence do you have to show this?

His paymasters of course, who are owned and influenced by god knows who. Evidence? Have you seriously never noticed the obvious left leaning slant of media in general and Hollywood specifically?!? You won't find a single instance of the likes of John Oliver ever criticizing a "democrat" for anything serious, go ahead and try.

Oh it's just NBFTW's usual response to information he doesn't want to hear. I'm quite surprised, given that he's such a professed libertarian and all; I figured he'd have a strong opinion on the tariff wars.

If you think libertarianism has anything to do with suffering through blatant propaganda that promotes only a single point of view you have a lot to learn ...

Did Narrow delete his post?

Nah, it's on the previous page.

 

[cerebus]

If you think libertarianism has anything to do with suffering through blatant propaganda that promotes only a single point of view you have a lot to learn ...

Something something free market something

 

[buka001]

His paymasters of course, who are owned and influenced by god knows who. Evidence? Have you seriously never noticed the obvious left leaning slant of media in general and Hollywood specifically?!? You won't find a single instance of the likes of John Oliver ever criticizing a "democrat" for anything serious, go ahead and try.


If you think libertarianism has anything to do with suffering through blatant propaganda that promotes only a single point of view you have a lot to learn ...


Nah, it's on the previous page.

He is left leaning. However he has called out both sides of the political spectrum.

John Oliver heavily criticised the Asset Forfeiture law, which were in operation under a Democratic government. As a libertarian, this one probably rates very high on what you would consider a "serious" issue.

Here is him calling out both Democrats and Republicans - https://www.inverse.com/article/30118-john-oliver-slams-gerrymandering

He also called out Hillary on misrepresenting Reagans role in HIV/AIDS advocacy.

During Obamas presidency he called out numerous policies (drone strikes being one of them) that were in put in place by his administration

 

[greg0205]

His paymasters of course, who are owned and influenced by god knows who. Evidence? Have you seriously never noticed the obvious left leaning slant of media in general and Hollywood specifically?!? You won't find a single instance of the likes of John Oliver ever criticizing a "democrat" for anything serious, go ahead and try.

A couple of seconds to open the Google machine and type "john oliver criticises democrats", an 0,51 second Google search with 1 570 000 results, and at the top of the page...

https://www.bustle.com/articles/146...crats-because-hes-an-equal-opportunity-critic

Ta-da!

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

A couple of seconds to open the Google machine and type "john oliver criticises democrats", an 0,51 second Google search with 1 570 000 results, and at the top of the page...

https://www.bustle.com/articles/146...crats-because-hes-an-equal-opportunity-critic

Ta-da!

Please tell me you're kidding, did you even read that link yourself? I said "anything serious", not some insignificant jabs he takes to pretend to be somewhat fair

 

[Unhappy438]

Nah, it's on the previous page.

Weird, it disappeared for me for a while, i think this new forum is buggy.

 

[greg0205]

Please tell me you're kidding, did you even read that link yourself? I said "anything serious", not some insignificant jabs he takes to pretend to be somewhat fair

LOL. You thought no-one saw your "I said 'something serious'" artifice coming.

Anyhoo, knowing you'd be obfuscating with that ruse, I gave your, "the obvious left leaning slant of media in general and Hollywood specifically" thing some thought, you know, in anticipation, and I came up with the following regarding Oliver's Sunday night political satire... Now bear with me here, 'cos we're stretching back to 1965 for this.

Ready? Let's go.

First, let me to remind you that satire is, "the use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues." (thanks again Google, you said it better than I could)

Then, did you know that in the 53 years since 1965, Democrats have held all the cards for 25 years and Republicans for 28? No? Well, now you do.

So, in the 25 Democrat years, there have been:
3 Indictments
1 Conviction
1 Prison sentence.

Sure, the Republicans have had three more years to get up to mischief, but their numbers look like this:
120 Indictments
89 Convictions
34 Prison sentences.

It seems to me that one side is really, really putting in the extra work to make themselves the obvious target of weekly ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics... perhaps even on a Sunday night satire show... Or *every* satire show, really.

But hey, that's just my take. You'll do you, obviously.

EDIT: PS. I'll save the actual nazis running on the Republican ticket for a later post if needed.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

LOL. You thought no-one saw your "I said 'something serious'" artifice coming.

Wow, you saw it coming and still chose to post the most insignificant issues you could find?

So, in the 25 Democrat years, there have been:
3 Indictments
1 Conviction
1 Prison sentence.

Sure, the Republicans have had three more years to get up to mischief, but their numbers look like this:
120 Indictments
89 Convictions
34 Prison sentences.

That alone should be an alarm bell, they're both roughly equally useless, corrupt and terrible. There is no way in hell the one's rap sheet is that much longer than the other EXCEPT for marketing, by biased media stooges ...

Although it's interesting you left out the only two impeachments in the history of the USA ... both democrats ...

EDIT: PS. I'll save the actual nazis running on the Republican ticket for a later post if needed.

they must've been confused with their political alignment then, common knowledge that nazis are all for socialism and big government ... wonder who else is ...

 

[greg0205]

Wow, you saw it coming and still chose to post the most insignificant issues you could find?


That alone should be an alarm bell, they're both roughly equally useless, corrupt and terrible. There is no way in hell the one's rap sheet is that much longer than the other EXCEPT for marketing, by biased media stooges ...

Although it's interesting you left out the only two impeachments in the history of the USA ... both democrats ...


they must've been confused with their political alignment then, common knowledge that nazis are all for socialism and big government ... wonder who else is ...

So, a double down on the bad faith with a side of historical revisionism then?

I'm shocked, said absolutely no-one.

Soon as I get home I'm heading into the garden to water a rock... More chance of it growing than honest debate from you NBFtw.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

So, a double down on the bad faith with a side of historical revisionism then?

Indeed, that does seem to be your chosen strategy here, I agree.

Soon as I get home I'm heading into the garden to water a rock... More chance of it growing than honest debate from you NBFtw.

More chance of the rock formulating a coherent argument than you as well.

 

[buka001]

Wow, you saw it coming and still chose to post the most insignificant issues you could find?


That alone should be an alarm bell, they're both roughly equally useless, corrupt and terrible. There is no way in hell the one's rap sheet is that much longer than the other EXCEPT for marketing, by biased media stooges ...

Although it's interesting you left out the only two impeachments in the history of the USA ... both democrats ...


they must've been confused with their political alignment then, common knowledge that nazis are all for socialism and big government ... wonder who else is ...

Evidence for this - "Nazis are all for socialism"?

Nazis upheld property rights, individual entrepreneurship and economic competition, disapproved of trade unions (banned them all and created a faux one). Nazis killed all the socialist politicians. Read Ian Kershaw's "Hitler" which expands on this in a far superior way than any forum could ever do justice.

The Night of the Long Knives was carried out to ensure any socialist, left wing ideologues were removed from the Nazi party.

Hitler explicitly subsumed all of the socialist policies of the various Socialist movements of the time, under the banner of Marxism. Hitlers explicit view was that this form of Marxism must be eradicated if Germany were to move forward.

Hitler could not have been more definitively anti-socialist than his speech and his subsequent rebuttal to the German Social Democrats speech when the Enabling Act was passed in the Reichstag. This act led to the further arrest and destruction of any and all Socialist politicians.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Evidence for this - "Nazis are all for socialism"?

We've covered this, in this very thread, more than once. Side note: the new forum's search is even worse or perhaps it hasn't indexed everything yet? Google search knows the old page numbers so these older posts are hard to find.

Nonetheless, here's a recent-ish one for ya: Nazis were socialist

 

[buka001]

We've covered this, in this very thread, more than once. Side note: the new forum's search is even worse or perhaps it hasn't indexed everything yet? Google search knows the old page numbers so these older posts are hard to find.

Nonetheless, here's a recent-ish one for ya: Nazis were socialist

Ahh its NBTFW opinion versus WW2 historians published journals and books on the matter.

Could you provide a link to a published journal or book written by a historian which supports your view, that Nazi's were socialists?

 

[cerebus]

Nonetheless, here's a recent-ish one for ya: Nazis were socialist

linking to yourself? You know it's much easier if you remove a couple of lower vertebrae.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Ahh its NBTFW opinion versus WW2 historians published journals and books on the matter.

Could you provide a link to a published journal or book written by a historian which supports your view, that Nazi's were socialists?

You do know that history is recorded by the victors right? Why would you automatically assume a source is credible merely due to it being "published"?

It's an interesting enough topic that I'll go poke around. The similar traits between fascism, socialism and communism should be more than enough for anyone to reach the same conclusion as me though, provided they're at least a little open minded.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

linking to yourself? You know it's much easier if you remove a couple of lower vertebrae.

To the last time the same two people had this same argument, as I stated in the new post. That's the exact right post to link to establish that donchathink ... it also contains an external link that supports the rest of my argument.

Woops, cerebus didn't read ... again ...

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Could you provide a link to a published journal or book written by a historian which supports your view, that Nazi's were socialists?

Here's an award winning historian that specializes in Hitler for you:
Becoming Hitler: The Making of a Nazi

It contains evidence that at the very least Hitler himself wanted to join the proper socialist party, one would imagine he thought there's something there he agrees with ... according to this article: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...nly-after-another-far-right-group-shunned-him

The document is from the testimony of Hans Georg Grassinger, the founding chairman of the German Socialist party. Weber found it in the archive of the Institute of Contemporary History in Munich. “It’s just been overlooked. The problem is that they have so much stuff,” he said.

The document records: “In the autumn of 1919, around September, Hitler appeared in the office of the publishing house to see Grassinger and offered [to] write for the paper, and to join and work for the German Socialist party. He didn’t have any money at the time and he also asked to borrow money from Grassinger. But they [told] him that they had no use for him in the paper and that they also did not want to have him in the party.”