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OrbitalDawn

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What I find confusing is that the Senate Committee has a lot more powers than the FBI (such as the power to subpoena witnesses)

Yes, which is why it's extremely obvious the Republicans on the committee have never given half a schit about actually doing proper due diligence on this.

Emjay said:
The Democrats will however have to answer about the leaked allegations however. There should be a hearing into that too.

The reporter who first reported it has already said it didn't come from them.

They're living in Lala land. The outside prosecutor said the following:

The prosecutor that didn't talk to the perpetrator and didn't talk to any of the other witnesses, and was hired by the Senate GOP to reach this conclusion. Yeah, good job.

Chris_the_Brit said:
Now the libs are attacking "his temperament", saying he is not fit for the Supreme Court due to him laying into the Dems. It's all so obvious obstructionism from the loser party!

You think it's good that a SCOTUS nominee screeches about conspiracy theories and acts like a very obvious partisan?

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He will get confirmed, pretty sure of that.

Probably!

He also hates Trump but had such low (negative) approval ratings that he did not put himself up for re-election. Yet these are the type of Republican senators that some Democrats love...lol.

Yeah, hates Trump so much that he votes with him 84% of the time. As I said, he's a spineless wimp.
 

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Yeah of course you'd prefer not to see his lies as lies, unfortunately he has lied. No he said she said. He lied.

And it's not "the Republicans". It's Flake. The others give zero ****s that he lied, just like you.

Thankfully, there's research that shows why this is.

Why conservatives don’t care that Brett Kavanaugh is a liar

Using both a large-scale survey and a lab experiment, Hahl and his colleagues demonstrate that people are shockingly willing to look past lies from someone who they feel represents their group. Instead, the lies are seen in the broader context of what supporters see as a “deeper truth” — in this case, that Kavanaugh is an innocent target of a Democratic smear campaign.

“As with Trump, the deeper truth is that a particular group is treated unfairly by the establishment (recall Kavanaugh’s opening),” Zuckerman-Sivan wrote in a Twitter thread. “So long as the obvious lies can be framed as serving that larger truth, the liar can present himself as the group’s ‘authentic champion.’”

Kavanaugh is using lying as a deliberate tactic to advance his Supreme Court nomination. It’s a clever manipulation of conservative grievance politics — and one that seems to be working.
 

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So, not just a million dollar loan from Fred to get him going then... He's only $412M out, but I get it. Math is tough.

More than Russia and Stormy, folk finding out that tre45on isn't a fraction of the the self-made-man he says he is will drive him nuts. Also, people learning that daddy was the real financial genius who supported him into his 50s is going to trigger him like an infinity gauntlet.

I expect a late night tweet storm, fuelled by many, many double cheese burgers in bed, watching cable news.


Trump Engaged in Suspect Tax Schemesas He Reaped Riches From His Father


The president has long sold himself as a self-made billionaire, but a Times investigation found that he received at least $413 million in today’s dollars from his father’s real estate empire, much of it through tax dodges in the 1990s.

President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found.
Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help.
But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day.

Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings.

These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances.
The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show.

The president declined repeated requests over several weeks to comment for this article. But a lawyer for Mr. Trump, Charles J. Harder, provided a written statement on Monday, one day after The Times sent a detailed description of its findings. “The New York Times’s allegations of fraud and tax evasion are 100 percent false, and highly defamatory,” Mr. Harder said. “There was no fraud or tax evasion by anyone. The facts upon which The Times bases its false allegations are extremely inaccurate.”

Mr. Harder sought to distance Mr. Trump from the tax strategies used by his family, saying the president had delegated those tasks to relatives and tax professionals. “President Trump had virtually no involvement whatsoever with these matters,” he said. “The affairs were handled by other Trump family members who were not experts themselves and therefore relied entirely upon the aforementioned licensed professionals to ensure full compliance with the law.”

The president’s brother, Robert Trump, issued a statement on behalf of the Trump family:
“Our dear father, Fred C. Trump, passed away in June 1999. Our beloved mother, Mary Anne Trump, passed away in August 2000. All appropriate gift and estate tax returns were filed, and the required taxes were paid. Our father’s estate was closed in 2001 by both the Internal Revenue Service and the New York State tax authorities, and our mother’s estate was closed in 2004. Our family has no other comment on these matters that happened some 20 years ago, and would appreciate your respecting the privacy of our deceased parents, may God rest their souls.”

The Times’s findings raise new questions about Mr. Trump’s refusal to release his income tax returns, breaking with decades of practice by past presidents. According to tax experts, it is unlikely that Mr. Trump would be vulnerable to criminal prosecution for helping his parents evade taxes, because the acts happened too long ago and are past the statute of limitations. There is no time limit, however, on civil fines for tax fraud.

The findings are based on interviews with Fred Trump’s former employees and advisers and more than 100,000 pages of documents describing the inner workings and immense profitability of his empire. They include documents culled from public sources — mortgages and deeds, probate records, financial disclosure reports, regulatory records and civil court files.

The investigation also draws on tens of thousands of pages of confidential records — bank statements, financial audits, accounting ledgers, cash disbursement reports, invoices and canceled checks. Most notably, the documents include more than 200 tax returns from Fred Trump, his companies and various Trump partnerships and trusts. While the records do not include the president’s personal tax returns and reveal little about his recent business dealings at home and abroad, dozens of corporate, partnership and trust tax returns offer the first public accounting of the income he received for decades from various family enterprises.

What emerges from this body of evidence is a financial biography of the 45th president fundamentally at odds with the story Mr. Trump has sold in his books, his TV shows and his political life. In Mr. Trump’s version of how he got rich, he was the master dealmaker who broke free of his father’s “tiny” outer-borough operation and parlayed a single $1 million loan from his father (“I had to pay him back with interest!”) into a $10 billion empire that would slap the Trump name on hotels, high-rises, casinos, airlines and golf courses the world over. In Mr. Trump’s version, it was always his guts and gumption that overcame setbacks. Fred Trump was simply a cheerleader.
“I built what I built myself,” Mr. Trump has said, a narrative that was long amplified by often-credulous coverage from news organizations, including The Times.

Certainly a handful of journalists and biographers, notably Wayne Barrett, Gwenda Blair, David Cay Johnston and Timothy L. O’Brien, have challenged this story, especially the claim of being worth $10 billion. They described how Mr. Trump piggybacked off his father’s banking connections to gain a foothold in Manhattan real estate. They poked holes in his go-to talking point about the $1 million loan, citing evidence that he actually got $14 million. They told how Fred Trump once helped his son make a bond payment on an Atlantic City casino by buying $3.5 million in casino chips.

But The Times’s investigation of the Trump family’s finances is unprecedented in scope and precision, offering the first comprehensive look at the inherited fortune and tax dodges that guaranteed Donald J. Trump a gilded life. The reporting makes clear that in every era of Mr. Trump’s life, his finances were deeply intertwined with, and dependent on, his father’s wealth.

Donald J. Trump accumulated wealth throughout his childhood thanks to his father, Fred C. Trump.
By age 3, Mr. Trump was earning $200,000 a year in today’s dollars from his father’s empire. He was a millionaire by age 8. By the time he was 17, his father had given him part ownership of a 52-unit apartment building. Soon after Mr. Trump graduated from college, he was receiving the equivalent of $1 million a year from his father. The money increased with the years, to more than $5 million annually in his 40s and 50s.

Fred Trump’s real estate empire was not just scores of apartment buildings. It was also a mountain of cash, tens of millions of dollars in profits building up inside his businesses, banking records show. In one six-year span, from 1988 through 1993, Fred Trump reported $109.7 million in total income, now equivalent to $210.7 million. It was not unusual for tens of millions in Treasury bills and certificates of deposit to flow through his personal bank accounts each month.

Fred Trump was relentless and creative in finding ways to channel this wealth to his children. He made Donald not just his salaried employee but also his property manager, landlord, banker and consultant. He gave him loan after loan, many never repaid. He provided money for his car, money for his employees, money to buy stocks, money for his first Manhattan offices and money to renovate those offices. He gave him three trust funds. He gave him shares in multiple partnerships. He gave him $10,000 Christmas checks. He gave him laundry revenue from his buildings.

There's a lot more at the link.

PS. I especially love where Fred used a shell company to make "capital improvements" to his properties, but really to pass money on to his kids without paying taxes... Then using those "improvements" to get approval to raise rents on his tenants.
 
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Obama did do it.

Trump’s ‘New’ Canada-Mexico Trade Deal Has All Kinds Of Improvements? Thanks, Obama.



This is from April 2017 where it already patently clear that this is what's happening.

Donald Trump wants to rewrite NAFTA, but someone else already did. Here’s how it went down.



See why Trump's twitter feed is a bad bubble to be in...?
Of course he did:rolleyes:
All from the office of not the president, he finally got canada to agree to terms after years of disagreements after eventually telling them to **** off and they would now be excluded... last 2 years of negotiations, all obama:ROFL:
Can't make this **** up
I expected cos trump, agruments over how crap deal is... but seeing as its good and no one can argue it, obviously saint obama did it:giggle:
 
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Good thing the GOP gutted the IRS's ability to investigate and enforce the law on these things.

"The Tax Department is reviewing the allegations in the NYT article and is vigorously pursuing all appropriate avenues of investigation." - spokesman from the NY state taxation and finance department.

The most fascinating thing about the article is the language, which will have been vetted by a team of lawyers... They straight up say "overt fraud" and are presumably prepared to defend that in court should 45 sue... No qualifiers, straight to fraud.
 

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Can't make this **** up

Yeah, really can't. Ignore reality, praise Trump.

You somehow think he magically got them to agree to things now, which they had already agreed to before as part of prior negotiations...?

Do you think it's coincidence that this agreement is basically what they already had under NAFTA + TPP?
 

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Yeah, really can't. Ignore reality, praise Trump.

You somehow think he magically got them to agree to things now, which they had already agreed to before as part of prior negotiations...?

Do you think it's coincidence that this agreement is basically what they already had under NAFTA + TPP?
As said... all obama:thumbsup: Considering canada only finally agreed to it 2 days ago, that overtime covert president pay for 2 years now must be awesome for him. GG obama, you da man

Actually curious now... does Obama wear a full trump shaped fat suit when he does all this overtime, or just the orange rug?

Edit: I'm also assuming clinton and sanders were then just lying in their campaign promises to renegotiate when in office, after all, obama had done it already. :whistling:
 
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Trump administration moves to weaken guidelines on radiation, suggesting some is healthy

The Trump administration is quietly moving to weaken U.S. radiation regulations, turning to scientific outliers who argue that a bit of radiation damage is actually good for you — like a little bit of sunlight.

The government’s current, decades-old guidance says that any exposure to harmful radiation is a cancer risk. And critics say the proposed change could lead to higher levels of exposure for workers at nuclear installations and oil and gas drilling sites, medical workers doing X-rays and CT scans, people living next to Superfund sites and any members of the public who one day might find themselves exposed to a radiation release.
 

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If Trump were to go down, tax evasion or some dodgy business dealing is probably the most likely reason and not the Russia stuff.
 

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If Trump were to go down, tax evasion or some dodgy business dealing is probably the most likely reason and not the Russia stuff.

Depends what one means with Russia stuff, I guess. The money laundering for Russian mobsters and oligarchs is an important part of the bigger picture, including him going after DOJ specialists on Russian organised crime at DOJ, etc.

Would you regard this as 'Russia stuff', considering the Russian government is run by mobsters/oligarchs, for example? His involvement is leverage for them, even if one discounts the hookers/pee stuff, which has always been irrelevant, basically.
 

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/02/us/brett-kavanaugh-georgetown-prep.html

In a 1983 letter, a copy of which was reviewed by The New York Times, the young Judge Kavanaugh warned his friends of the danger of eviction from an Ocean City, Md., condo. In a neatly written postscript, he added: Whoever arrived first at the condo should “warn the neighbors that we’re loud, obnoxious drunks with prolific pukers among us. Advise them to go about 30 miles...”
 

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If Trump were to go down, tax evasion or some dodgy business dealing is probably the most likely reason and not the Russia stuff.

All connected.

Mentioned it before, if you have some time, download and watch Active Measures. Brilliantly lays out Trump/Russia/Money Laundering and shows you how *all* your favourite characters are involved.
 

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Source: Blasey Ford's Kavinaugh Testimony Unravels After Ex-Boyfriend Refutes Key Claims
Grassley writes: "The full details of Dr. Ford's polygraph are particularly important because the Senate Judiciary Committee has received a sworn statement from a longtime boyfriend of Dr. Ford's, stating that he personally witnessed Dr. Ford coaching a friend on polygraph examinations. When asked under oath in the hearing whether she'd ever given any tips or advice to someone who was planning on taking a polygraph, Dr. Ford replied, "Never." This statement raises specific concerns about the reliability of her polygraph examination results."
Caught in a lie under oath :D
 

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Two former Yale classmates withdraw support for Kavanaugh

A pair of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh's former classmates at Yale Law on Tuesday withdrew their support of him after previously endorsements.

Michael Proctor and Mark Osler wrote in a letter to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and ranking member Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) that they can no longer support Kavanaugh's confirmation because of the "nature" of his testimonty in front of the committee last week while addressing accusations of sexual misconduct.

“In our view that testimony was partisan, and not judicious, and inconsistent with what we expect from a Justice of the Supreme Court, particularly dealing with a co-equal branch of government," they wrote.

Self-own of note.
 

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I cannot see the future.
But it's looking less and less likely that Kavenaugh will be confirmed.
If he is, his chances of being impeached a little later are quite high.
 

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I cannot see the future.
But it's looking less and less likely that Kavenaugh will be confirmed.
If he is, his chances of being impeached a little later are quite high.

I wish I could be confident about any of those things.

The MFING President of the United States of America said:
What he’s going through – 36 years ago this happened. I had one beer! Right? I had one beer! Well, you think it was – nope, it was one beer! Oh, good. How did you get home? I don’t remember. How’d you get there? I don’t remember. Where is the place? I don’t remember. How many years ago was it? I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know! I don’t know! What neighborhood was it in? I don’t know. Where’s the house? I don’t know. Upstairs, downstairs, where was it? I don’t know. But I had one beer. That’s the only thing I remember. And a man’s life is in tatters. A man’s life is shattered. His wife is shattered. His daughters who are beautiful, incredible young kids. They destroy people. They want to destroy people. These are really evil people.
 

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I wish I could be confident about any of those things.

That little performance from the big orange turd was a mistake, for him.
The tide is turning.

Maybe we'll learn something from the disaster of the Trump election.
Maybe we'll realise that allowing ignorant people - people who have never taken the trouble to inform themselves about the person they are voting for - is a disaster waiting to happen. As happen it did in the United States.
 
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