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[NarrowBandFtw]

Source: Kavanaugh "Gang Bang" Accuser Savaged By Ex-Weatherman Over "Penchant For Group Sex"

The Senate Judiciary Committee has released a letter from former meteorologist and former Democratic candidate for Maryland's 8th district, Dennis Ketterer, who claims that Brett Kavanaugh's third accuser and Michael Avenatti client, Julie Swetnick, was a group-sex enthusiast that he initially mistook for a prostitute at a 1993 Washington D.C. going-away party for a colleague.

"credible"

 

[greg0205]

I wish I could be confident about any of those things.

“I can tell you that some of the women that are complaining, I know how much he’s helped them. It’s very sad because he’s a very good person." - Donald J Trump on Roger Ailes

“I don’t think Bill did anything wrong.” - Donald J Trump on Bill O’Reilly

“Peoples lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation. Some are true and some are false. Some are old and some are new. There is no recovery for someone falsely accused — life and career are gone. Is there no such thing any longer as Due Process?” - Donald J Trump on Rob Porter

“He denies it. He says it didn’t happen, and you have to listen to him also.” - Donald J Trump on Roy Moore

“I am with him all the way. There’s a chance that this could be one of the single most unfair, unjust things to happen to a candidate for anything.” - Donald J Trump on Brett Kavanaugh

"I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything." - Donald J Trump on Donald J Trump

 

[rietrot]

Source: Kavanaugh "Gang Bang" Accuser Savaged By Ex-Weatherman Over "Penchant For Group Sex"

"credible"

Well these guys certainly go to interesting parties. How do you even get to that conversation?
Person A: Hey, how much?
Person B: What? No I'm not a prostitute. Only a group sex enthusias, so get some friend together then you don't have to pay.

 

[Unhappy438]

Depends what one means with Russia stuff, I guess. The money laundering for Russian mobsters and oligarchs is an important part of the bigger picture, including him going after DOJ specialists on Russian organised crime at DOJ, etc.

Would you regard this as 'Russia stuff', considering the Russian government is run by mobsters/oligarchs, for example? His involvement is leverage for them, even if one discounts the hookers/pee stuff, which has always been irrelevant, basically.

Conspiracy, collusion. Highly unlikely they will catch him for that.

 

[cerebus]

Well these guys certainly go to interesting parties. How do you even get to that conversation?
Person A: Hey, how much?
Person B: What? No I'm not a prostitute. Only a group sex enthusias, so get some friend together then you don't have to pay.

Indeed. If having a penchant for group sex is disqualifying testimony, I think we can immediately discount this guy from whatever he says about the virginal Ms Swetnick.

 

[rietrot]

Indeed. If having a penchant for group sex is disqualifying testimony, I think we can immediately discount this guy from whatever he says about the virginal Ms Swetnick.

Basically no, but I'm not sure if or how much of that is sarcasm.

 

[cerebus]

Basically no, but I'm not sure if or how much of that is sarcasm.

I'll leave you to writhe in the uncertainty of my sarcastic intent.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Source: Blasey Ford's Kavinaugh Testimony Unravels After Ex-Boyfriend Refutes Key Claims

Caught in a lie under oath

But she's a woman and the #MeToo movement tell us to believe ALL women.

No place for things like 'innocent until proven guilty' ...

 

[greg0205]

Source: Kavanaugh "Gang Bang" Accuser Savaged By Ex-Weatherman Over "Penchant For Group Sex"

"credible"

Spends days arguing uncorroborated allegations prove nothing.

Presents uncorroborated allegation as proof.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

No place for things like 'innocent until proven guilty' ...

"Lock her up" and the Central Park Five say hello.

Expecting crickets, of course.

 

[Emjay]

Yes, which is why it's extremely obvious the Republicans on the committee have never given half a schit about actually doing proper due diligence on this.

Like Juanita Broaddrick?

Or Karen Monahan. Why don't they #BelieveWomen?

It's like the pot calling the kettle black.

And, has anyone watched Swetnick's interview with NBC? Or her ex B/F talking about her past behaviour? What about the allegations of Swetnick's issues with her previous employers, or her bogus lawsuit. It was a train wreck of note. Avanatti is now fighting for his career as well. Maybe, just maybe, a tiny sliver of something good can come out of all this.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Spends days arguing uncorroborated allegations prove nothing.

Presents uncorroborated allegation as proof.

/facepalm

If you bothered to read you would realise something I've already said:
I'm not presenting these allegations as proof of anything other than your hypocrisy. If you accept the first wave of unproven allegations as fact you now ALSO have to accept these, they have the same level of proof and they cancel each other out. So mentally you ought to be back in a space where Kavanaugh was never accused at all.

If you discard both waves of allegations due to a lack of evidence you are similarly in a space where Kavanaugh effectively was not accused of any wrong doing. (that's me fyi)

If you accept the one and discard the other you are merely a hypocrite.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Like Juanita Broaddrick?

Your whataboutism aside - yes! Feel free to consider me anti-Clinton for a seat on SCOTUS.

Or Karen Monahan.

Odd that you didn't respond when I pointed out how Dems initiated an independent investigation immediately when it came out.

Result:

http://time.com/5411815/democratic-investigation-keith-ellison-minnesota/

An ex-girlfriend’s allegation that Minnesota Rep. Keith Ellison once physically abused her could not be substantiated because she refused to provide video she said she had of the incident, an attorney hired to investigate the claims concluded in a draft report obtained Monday by The Associated Press.

And also how he's asked for an additional investigation by the Ethics Committee.

And, has anyone watched Swetnick's interview with NBC? Or her ex B/F talking about her past behaviour? What about the allegations of Swetnick's issues with her previous employers, or her bogus lawsuit. It was a train wreck of note.

Weird that Avanatti is the one demanding the FBI do a proper and full investigation of his client and her claims, and the GOP don't want it.

Avanatti is now fighting for his career as well. Maybe, just maybe, a tiny sliver of something good can come out of all this.

Doubtful, since he was completely vindicated on the Stormy Daniels issue.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Trump mocks Kavanaugh accuser Christine Blasey Ford's testimony

Gee, why would people think his nominees might be people of bad character.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Trump’s family separations: watchdog review paints damning picture of policy

Donald Trump’s administration separated more than 2,600 children from their parents without adequate systems in place to track or reunite families, according to the first government review of the controversial family separation policy.

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) struggled to monitor and reunite families and provided parents crossing the border with inconsistent information while enforcing the “zero tolerance” policy that made family separation possible, according to the report released on Tuesday by the DHS office of inspector general (OIG).

The report painted a damning picture of different agencies unable to adequately cooperate or share data and a system that was so full of inconsistencies and holes that information on vulnerable children or their parents could easily go missing or not be collected.

 

[Emjay]

Your whataboutism aside - yes! Feel free to consider me anti-Clinton for a seat on SCOTUS.



Odd that you didn't respond when I pointed out how Dems initiated an independent investigation immediately when it came out.

Result:

http://time.com/5411815/democratic-investigation-keith-ellison-minnesota/



And also how he's asked for an additional investigation by the Ethics Committee.



Weird that Avanatti is the one demanding the FBI do a proper and full investigation of his client and her claims, and the GOP don't want it.



Doubtful, since he was completely vindicated on the Stormy Daniels issue.

The FBI must investigate Kavanaugh for gang rape because he was handing out cups to girls at a party?

Monahan cannot be believed even when she produced other credible evidence?

No, the Democrats are pure and only have these women's best interests at heart.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

The FBI must investigate Kavanaugh for gang rape because he was handing out cups to girls at a party?

Monahan cannot be believed even when she produced other credible evidence?

No, the Democrats are pure and only have these women's best interests at heart.

Cool, not interested in good faith discussion. I'll file you with rietrot.

 

[cerebus]

Cool, not interested in good faith discussion. I'll file you with rietrot.

Yeah I'm afraid that's all you're gonna get here. Mud throwing and pearl clutching.

 

[Emjay]

Cool, not interested in good faith discussion. I'll file you with rietrot.

But Karen Monahan has text messages, and doctor's reports. This is not a criminal trial. Keith Ellison should step down because he is a woman beater. Don't you believe Monahan? She is credible, and has given credible evidence, yet you want more evidence. Keith Ellison should not be a Senator.

No. No hypocrisy here at all.

 

[cerebus]

But Karen Monahan has text messages, and doctor's reports. This is not a criminal trial. Keith Ellison should step down because he is a woman beater. Don't you believe Monahan? She is credible, and has given credible evidence, yet you want more evidence. Keith Ellison should not be a Senator.

No. No hypocrisy here at all.

That's right, no hypocrisy. The same standards of thorough investigation must apply across the board. Is that what you're getting at?