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NarrowBandFtw

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You don't get to bitch about lying and dishonesty if you are simply going to dismiss sources as dishonest without reading them. Are you here to have a real discussion or to simply crow about "libtards"?
It would really help if every single source wasn't a left leaning piece of garbage ...

Even so, I have now suffered through that first WaPo article. It makes statements without backing it up with a single fact and it completely ignores the fact that ICE agents already have the discretion that they are practising BY LAW.

So yeah, their BS claims can be dismissed.
 

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So the costs would have been there whether he walked out or not right?

The issue is not the money, it's because he walked out on a Libtard protest... and then have a heading reading: "Mike Pence's National Anthem Stunt Cost More Than $300,000"

More dishonesty and deception by the libtards, and this by a magazine with an astounding 50 000 readers :D Geesus, Huisgenoot has more readers :D
There's no question Pence's national anthem stunt cost taxpayers a pretty penny.
:ROFL:His anthem stunt:ROFL:
 

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We all know what the protest is/was about. Don't claim to be naïve now...
Again, how is a protest, people kneeling silently, some with hands over their hearts disrespectful? Or do you think that any criticism of a society automatically equates to "disrespect"?
 

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Again, how is a protest, people kneeling silently, some with hands over their hearts disrespectful? Or do you think that any criticism of a society automatically equates to "disrespect"?

Did I claim it disrespectful?

Enlighten us what the protest was about and why Pence left...
 

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Who's expectations and who get's to decide that you can only show respect one way?
Hundreds of years of custom, and the people who entrenched and followed that custom for hundreds of years. Pretty simple.
 

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Hundreds of years of custom, and the people who entrenched and followed that custom for hundreds of years. Pretty simple.
I'll remember that the next time you take a dig at tribal customs in this country...
 

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I'll remember that the next time you take a dig at tribal customs in this country...
I can take a dig at it, why not? I'm not going to join a tribe and then when the times comes to honour the tribal customs piss all over it though.

If you see me doing that, please call me on it!
 

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Hundreds of years of custom, and the people who entrenched and followed that custom for hundreds of years. Pretty simple.

For a libertarian you have some funny ideas about personal expression and social conformity. :eek:

Pity Bill Clinton, Loretta Lynch and James Comey ensured that a judge would not answer that question.

Does it matter? Presumed innocent until proven guilty.
 

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I can take a dig at it, why not? I'm not going to join a tribe and then when the times comes to honour the tribal customs piss all over it though.
Your assumption being that customs should be adhered to merely because lots of people have been doing it for 100's of years, FYI those players didn't choose to join a tribe, it is their country as much as anyones and they have a right to behave how they choose when the anthem is playing, they didn't talk or turn their backs, they simply kneeled yet somehow the conservatives, who wail about snowflakery at every turn consider this to be tantamount to blasphemy..
 

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You quoted my post below...



And called me naive, what was the point of that little interjection if you don't consider it disrespectful?

Geesus, don't do this...

I asked you a question, it's pretty simple and straight forward. I never claimed it to be disrespectful, I asked what the protest is about? That is in relation to the post OD made where Pence leaving is costing tax payers $300k. You're little charade with NBFTW is between you and him. Just answer the question. Why do you guys need to obscure straight questions with odd reasoning?
 

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For a libertarian you have some funny ideas about personal expression and social conformity. :eek:
Libertarian = complete freedom of association and expression to everyone. So I must respect your customs even if I don't agree with them, I do not have to practise those customs myself unless I willingly put myself in a position where I accept that it is expected of me ... you know, such as a highly paid NFL player where the anthem is sung before a match ...

Perfectly consistent with libertarian views. Taken to the extreme you can argue freedom of expression overrides everything. Great, then the protestors had as much right to take a knee as the NFL would have to fire them or Pence had to walk away. One person's freedom of expression does not override another's,


Does it matter? Presumed innocent until proven guilty.
How many innocent people have the head of the FBI, an ex president and the attorney general collude to keep them out of court? People can make up their own minds, nothing will happen to HRC until a court says so anyway. Take the Kavanaugh case in contrast: almost half the damn senate wanted real repercussions for unproven allegations without asking a court's opinion at all ...
 
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