US politics general thread

[cerebus]

What do you mean by that?

Trump had a very strong campaign message on this matter, much stronger than Hillary Clinton's.

 

[Xarog]

What makes them a mob? Are they violent? Armed? It's a group of very hungry, very poor refugees. They are cannon fodder next to the US army.

This isn't the first migrant caravan from Central America. In April there was another, smaller caravan that ended up with around 1500 people. Trump did the same basic fearmongering performance, but in the end there was no violence, most of them got sent home where they could safely be raped and murdered away from troublesome news cameras, and a very small number made it into the US legally. They were processed.

The ONLY reason this is being whipped up into such a fervour now is because Trump has no real message left other than nationalism. He even openly embraced the term yesterday. He's mostly abandoned the economic populist progressivism he ran on during the 2016 election because it's obviously a farce.

 

[Cray]

Jump the border and get mowed down... simple as that.

I simply don't see that happening, but time will tell.

 

[konfab]

Trump had a very strong campaign message on this matter, much stronger than Hillary Clinton's.

I was more wondering what you meant by "economic populist progressivism"?

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Propaganda piece huh? So all those testimonies where just made up? That journalist just ignored evidence of a conspiracy?

The virtue signalling is strong in that propaganda piece yes.

It might have been a smidge more believable if they bothered to post their questions that yielded these agenda-fitting testimonies.

If they didn't ask "aren't you worried you don't qualify to enter the US legally? how can you afford to take this huge risk? where did the money come from that was spotted being handed over to caravan members? how much money was it?" or anything along those lines they are choosing to not uncover the potential nasty truth.

 

[Obronie]

No. If they could demonstrate a lie, they would have enough to justify an impeachment process without having to contaminate any other part of the investigation. So frankly you are believing in fantasies. And that's fine, but then it's not going to go very well for you if you start trying to mock other people for believing in "conspiracy theories".

You do understand that congress for now is run by the GOP - obviously in this highly partisan time this will not happen - just stay calm and wait for Mueller to complete his work. Just take deep breaths

 

[Xarog]

Propaganda piece huh? So all those testimonies where just made up? That journalist just ignored evidence of a conspiracy?

Missed this. NBFTW said basically everything I would, though.

A journalist working a crowd can get whatever narrative they want, and I don't see journalists doing anything to portray their ideals in the worst possible light, do you?

 

[Xarog]

You do understand that congress for now is run by the GOP - obviously in this highly partisan time this will not happen - just stay calm and wait for Mueller to complete his work. Just take deep breaths

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/to...of-russia-probe-into-trump-campaign-lawmakers

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-20/fbi-admits-using-multiple-spies-infiltrate-trump-campaign

You first.

 

[cerebus]

I was more wondering what you meant by "economic populist progressivism"?

Well, let's see. He promised universal healthcare.

• May 2017: Trump told Malcolm Turnbull, the Australian prime minister, that “you have better health care than we do.” (Australia has a single-payer system.)
• January 2017: “We’re going to have insurance for everybody,”
• September 2015: "Everybody's got to be covered … I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not."
• 2000: “I’m a conservative on most issues but a liberal on health … We must take care of our own. We must have universal healthcare.”

He was going to crack down on pharmaceutical price abuses

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...es-are-getting-away-with-murder-a8004086.html

He floated a minimum wage increase.

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/27/politics/donald-trump-minimum-wage/index.html

He promised not to try to cut Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/596338364187602944

He was going to 'Drain the swamp' of Washington.

etc

 

[Xarog]

Btw, what they did to Kavanaugh and Trump (Russia collusion) is so well-known to the Dems that they've given it an industry term:

I present to you the wrap-up smear.

Didn't work so well in DiFi's case, though...

 

[Xarog]

He was going to 'Drain the swamp' of Washington.

Lol.

"What is Q?"

 

[cerebus]

Lol.

"What is Q?"

"What is Santa Claus?" You didn't think about that did you? You think all those presents just got there all wrapped up?

 

[Pitbull]

I simply don't see that happening, but time will tell.

If that doesn't happen I have no issue with the normal process being followed. But I do agree with Trump if it does come to a point where they rush the border and due to their sheer numbers it will be impossible to stop them. But time will tell.

 

[konfab]

Well, let's see. He promised universal healthcare.

He was going to crack down on pharmaceutical price abuses

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...es-are-getting-away-with-murder-a8004086.html

He floated a minimum wage increase.

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/27/politics/donald-trump-minimum-wage/index.html

He promised not to try to cut Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/596338364187602944

He was going to 'Drain the swamp' of Washington.

etc

I think you are stretching a bit.

 

[cerebus]

If that doesn't happen I have no issue with the normal process being followed. But I do agree with Trump if it does come to a point where they rush the border and due to their sheer numbers it will be impossible to stop them. But time will tell.

Then it's USfnA time baby

 

[cerebus]

I think you are stretching a bit.

Stretching what? You think Trump wasn't an economic populist?

 

[Obronie]

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/to...of-russia-probe-into-trump-campaign-lawmakers

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-20/fbi-admits-using-multiple-spies-infiltrate-trump-campaign

You first.

Xarog, as I have said from the beginning lets wait for the outcome - please, take deep breaths - it is only coming out after the election. Stay calm.

 

[konfab]

Stretching what? You think Trump wasn't an economic populist?

Apart from the increased military and the most likely temporary tariffs, the only economic populism he is really engaging in is expanding the debt. But that is somewhat mitigated by the economic growth.

I was more focusing on the progressivism that you mentioned.

Governments taking less money from people isn't populism.

 

[Pitbull]

Then it's USfnA time baby

Yea, you have an issue with it and I don't. You crying about it every time will not change my mind... Shoot every last one of the bastards crossing over illegally. There are processes in place they should follow. Simple really.

 

[cerebus]

Apart from the increased military and the most likely temporary tariffs, the only economic populism he is really engaging in is expanding the debt. But that is somewhat mitigated by the economic growth.

Yes he was very much a populist during his campaign, and very much not one now.

I was more focusing on the progressivism that you mentioned.

Oh, he was quite progressive by Republican standards. Here's Bernie Sanders endorsing some of his espoused policies:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/bernie-sanders-can-work-with-trump-233532