US politics general thread

[Cray]

You're the one who says that they have to be pro-Trump such that they would find out the facts if there were facts to find out in order to justify your scepticism that the caravan can't be paid for by Dems(Soros) because nobody has reported upon it.

You mentioned "Never Trump" as being the justification for why Rupert Murdoch, would quash any genuine attempt at investigation by News Corp companies. I would like some proof of that, because anyone layman who watches Fox news would assume that Fox is pro-Trump - hell Trump even watches Fox news himself - do you think he would watch them if they where "Never Trump"?

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Apparently I have the best NPC taunts, you guys.

Careful of that one, the worst kind of NPC, stuck in an infinite loop and just hampering any real in-game progress until you reset and the random number generator skips his appearance by chance.

 

[Cray]

I agree that there is a chance for a better life. I can see some individuals risking it on their own terms.

But imagine I started saying to everyone around me "Ok, let's go to the United States!". The first question I would be confronted with is, "how do we get there?" I don't think some rando destitute desperate guy will have the necessary streed cred to convince other people to go along with him. That takes money.

Plenty of people have made that trek in the past without money, why is it suddenly a requirement?

 

[Unhappy438]

Because there is a chance at a better life. A chance at the American dream. If these people have nothing, it would not be a hard sell. Especially when there is a crowd. People tend to go along a lot easier if others around them agree.

Good, its seems at least one of you demands equal standard of evidence between this Soros crowd claim and the Kavanaugh accusation for instance. For Kavanaugh it was never "most likely therefore Occams Razor" bs.

 

[Xarog]

You mentioned "Never Trump" as being the justification for why Rupert Murdoch, would quash any genuine attempt at investigation by News Corp companies. I would like some proof of that, because anyone layman who watches Fox news would assume that Fox is pro-Trump - hell Trump even watches Fox news himself - do you think he would watch them if they where "Never Trump"?

Trump reads the New York Times, too, you know. We know that because he admitted that his reading of an NYTimes article on Syria played a role in changing his mind with respect to how to treat Syria.

So ya, is the NYTimes pro-Trump cuz he sees it, too?


Also:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/rupert-murdoch-trump-idiot-phone-call-immigration

 

[Xarog]

Plenty of people have made that trek in the past without money, why is it suddenly a requirement?

Because it's a caravan of people moving together in a coordinated fashion, and people just aren't that open to suggestion without being offered an incentive.

 

[Pitbull]

Yes thats what you said after i pointed it out to you, before that your agraphia got in the way.

More crying... ok then.

 

[Xarog]

Good, its seems at least one of you demands equal standard of evidence between this Soros crowd claim and the Kavanaugh accusation for instance. For Kavanaugh it was never "most likely therefore Occams Razor" bs.

You know not one shred of Ford's testimony has held up, and all the corroborating evidence contradicts her claims.

But of course, why should we believe that the Dems are inclined to fabricate a huge scandal out of nothing just to hurt the Reps?

 

[Obronie]

Do you have any evidence that Fox is pro-Trump?

Yes

Lol.

So tell me, what do you think of the Trump Russia collusion angle?

I tend to believe that there was some kind of collusion, but I am more than willing to hear what the Mueller Rapport will say and change my view accordingly #factsmatter

 

[Cray]

Because it's a caravan of people moving together in a coordinated fashion, and people just aren't that open to suggestion without being offered an incentive.

I dunno, if people have a commonality of purpose (a better life in the US) I think it could be quite easy to attract more people. As the group moves North the word would spread and more people would join. Their incentive is the chance at a better life, why does the number of people, be it 10 or 10 000 make that motive any less valid?

 

[Xarog]

Yes

Ok. What is it?

I tend to believe that there was some kind of collusion, but I am more than willing to hear what the Mueller Rapport will say and change my view accordingly #factsmatter

Ah well, in that case welcome to the conspiracy tinfoil hat club.

 

[Cray]

You know not one shred of Ford's testimony has held up, and all the corroborating evidence contradicts her claims.

Where was her evidence refuted? A lack of evidence from other sources doesn't mean her testimony was disproved.

 

[Xarog]

I dunno, if people have a commonality of purpose (a better life in the US) I think it could be quite easy to attract more people. As the group moves North the word would spread and more people would join. Their incentive is the chance at a better life, why does the number of people, be it 10 or 10 000 make that motive any less valid?

"If people have a commonality of purpose". That's a BIG if. Simply saying they want a better life isn't a common purpose cuz basically everyone wants a better life and we're all suspicious enough of each other to know that we can be bullshitted by other people who are willing to take advantage of our wishes for a better life if we let them.

Which means that someone offering you a better life better have some sort of means of guaranteeing their assertions or I don't see why anyone would believe them any more than you're willing to accept my assertions about Fox News without evidence.

 

[cerebus]

Where was her evidence refuted? A lack of evidence from other sources doesn't mean her testimony was disproved.

It's total bollocks. There's quite a lot of supporting evidence and not one shred of her testimony has been explicitly refuted or contradicted, except by Kavanaugh himself.

 

[Xarog]

Where was her evidence refuted? A lack of evidence from other sources doesn't mean her testimony was disproved.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethb...etter-detailing-her-helping-a-friend-n2524939

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...y-ford-threw-witness-leland-keyser-under-bus/

https://www.businessinsider.com/christine-ford-ex-boyfriend-statement-chuck-grassley-2018-10?IR=T

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...ns_about_fords_double-door_story__138225.html

 

[Cray]

"If people have a commonality of purpose". That's a BIG if. Simply saying they want a better life isn't a common purpose cuz basically everyone wants a better life and we're all suspicious enough of each other to know that we can be bullshitted by other people who are willing to take advantage of our wishes for a better life if we let them.

Which means that someone offering you a better life better have some sort of means of guaranteeing their assertions or I don't see why anyone would believe them any more than you're willing to accept my assertions about Fox News without evidence.

If your life is s****y it's not much of a stretch to imagine a better life in the US, hell people do it all the time when risking their lives by crossing the Med/ in junk boats, why does this suddenly
require someone working behind the scenes just because it's more people?

 

[Xarog]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ch...-helped-on-polygraph-fires-back-at-new-claims

Funnily enough, Ford's ex-BF was willing to testify under oath. Ford's FBI friend sent her denial to the press where she can't be prosecuted for making a false statement...

 

[Xarog]

If your life is s****y it's not much of a stretch to imagine a better life in the US, hell people do it all the time when risking their lives by crossing the Med/ in junk boats, why does this suddenly
require someone working behind the scenes just because it's more people?

The people getting transport via the migrant boats have to pay to get across, last I heard.

So how come these destitute people have the money to cross several countries at the drop of a hat if they're so poor and destitute to be willing to abandon everything?

 

[Obronie]

Ok. What is it?


Ah well, in that case welcome to the conspiracy tinfoil hat club.

If by far the majority of your host is Pro-Trump, talks about him nearly always in a positive light, he nearly exclusively goes for interviews/phone calls with FOX and some have a personal relationship with him then this is a good indication. If they like clockwork shows his multiple deranged speeches live everytime that this is enough evidence to say with confidence that they are Pro Trump.

Nope, just go and read a bit what a conspiracy theory is. I'm not going to explain it to you.

 

[Cray]

The people getting transport via the migrant boats have to pay to get across, last I heard.

So how come these destitute people have the money to cross several countries at the drop of a hat if they're so poor and destitute to be willing to abandon everything?

You don't need a boat to walk/hitch overland, it's far easier to move overland across a continent, just ask all the Congolese/Nigerians that end up in this country, or where they paid to come here too?