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Based on quarterly data released by the US Treasury, the debt at the end of 2008 — just before Obama took office — stood at roughly $10,699,805,000,000.

As of the third quarter of 2016, the most recent data available, the debt as Obama is set to leave office stood at $19,573,445,000,000.
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cerebus said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/12/us/politics/white-house-budget-congress.html

The budget plan is a doozy.
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Mr. Trump’s budget statement calls deficits the harbingers of a “desolate” future, but the White House plan would add $7 trillion to the deficit over the next 10 years.
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Quick math question. Based on the above, which budget scores higher on doozlenuts?

Both are pretty horrible. And I am sure that the partisan poepholle on both sides have figured out by now that big deficits is a feature of the current monetary system, not a bug. And it is good for the actual ruling class and neither party is interested in fixing the debt issue because they can't fix a ponzi scheme anyway. Surely the PPle know this and this wholwe Demtard/Reptard blame game is just for show right? Right?
 
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More lies come tumbling down.

Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Says He Paid Stormy Daniels Out of His Own Pocket

Michael D. Cohen, President Trump’s longtime personal lawyer, said on Tuesday that he paid $130,000 out of his own pocket to a pornographic-film actress who had once claimed to have had an affair with Mr. Trump.
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White House reels as FBI director contradicts official claims about alleged abuser

The White House struggled Tuesday to contain a widening crisis over its handling of domestic violence allegations against a senior official, as it reeled after sworn testimony by the FBI chief directly contradicted what President Trump’s aides had presented as the official version of events.

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Inside the West Wing, a growing number of aides blamed Trump’s second White House chief of staff, John F. Kelly, for the bungled handling of the allegations against Porter. Trump in recent days has begun musing about possible replacements, according to people with knowledge of the conversations.

Kelly is “a big fat liar,” said one White House official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share a candid opinion. “To put it in terms the general would understand, his handling of the Porter scandal amounts to dereliction of duty.”
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But then, who could have known a place like this would have issues:

A Whirlwind Envelops the White House, and the Revolving Door Spins

The doors at the White House have been swinging a lot lately. A deputy chief of staff moved on. A speechwriter resigned. The associate attorney general stepped down. The chief of staff offered to quit. And that was just Friday.

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More than a year into his administration, President Trump is presiding over a staff in turmoil, one with a 34 percent turnover rate, higher than any White House in decades.

Mr. Trump’s 34 percent turnover rate in his first year is more than three times as high as President Barack Obama’s in the same period and twice as high as President Ronald Reagan’s, which until now was the modern record-holder. Of 12 positions deemed most central to the president, only five are still filled by the same person as when Mr. Trump took office.
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Techne said:
Quick math question. Based on the above, which budget scores higher on doozlenuts?

Both are pretty horrible. And I am sure that the partisan poepholle on both sides have figured out by now that big deficits is a feature of the current monetary system, not a bug. And it is good for the actual ruling class and neither party is interested in fixing the debt issue because they can't fix a ponzi scheme anyway. Surely the PPle know this and this wholwe Demtard/Reptard blame game is just for show right? Right?
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See OD's post above yours. Not that I'm in favour of a fiscal deficit at all, but the issue isn't so much with blowing out the budget as with the fine details of the plan. Replacing food stamps with food boxes is a gift to subsidized corporations, and it's dehumanising. All forms of welfare are being asphyxiated, while defence spending gets a $160 billion increase. It's obscene.
 
cerebus said:
See OD's post above yours. Not that I'm in favour of a fiscal deficit at all, but the issue isn't so much with blowing out the budget as with the fine details of the plan. Replacing food stamps with food boxes is a gift to subsidized corporations, and it's dehumanising. All forms of welfare are being asphyxiated, while defence spending gets a $160 billion increase. It's obscene.
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You can shift the $#/+ in the sewerage farm all you want. There will always be a turd complaining and it won't fix the crappy corrupt system and the owners don't give a crap.
 
The_Assimilator said:
I would love to to but pretty much every damn site uses some form of JS nowadays. Like, simple stuff doesn't even work with it disabled.
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If you see a flash drive lying on the ground, would you insert it into your work PC? I view the running of JS on my computer in the same way. It is a PITA to go to a new website, but it is well worth blocking all the tracking, adverts and cryptominers.
 
cerebus said:
Replacing food stamps with food boxes is a gift to subsidized corporations.
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As if EBT cards being accepted at McDonalds isn't.

cerebus said:
And it's dehumanising.
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That is stupid. People pay for a private service that does almost exactly the same thing. And at least this starts to address the nutritional trap that is one of the main causes of obesity in poor people.

All forms of welfare are being asphyxiated, while defence spending gets a $160 billion increase. It's obscene.
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Can we meet halfway? Slash the welfare and the military spending. This would actually do everyone a favor, including poor people.
 
konfab said:
As if EBT cards being accepted at McDonalds isn't.
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Yeah that's a choice people have.

That is stupid. People pay for a private service that does almost exactly the same thing. And at least this starts to address the nutritional trap that is one of the main causes of obesity in poor people.
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Comparing their food boxes to Blue Apron is an absolute farce.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...e-food-stamps-blue-apron-type-program-n847586

You want the government to decide on the food that poor people should be forced to eat? How about if you were poor; do you think you'd be done a favour by getting a box of spam and pasta every day, instead of allocated food stamps that you can spend discretionarily?

Can we meet halfway? Slash the welfare and the military spending. This would actually do everyone a favor, including poor people.
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There is a vast gulf between spending tax money on infrastructure, education, public health, and social grants; and reallocating that same money to be spent on beefing up an already vastly outsized military. You're just dodging the issue.
 
You'll be shocked to learn the supposed a-political transparency warrior is actually just a bigoted hack.

In leaked chats, WikiLeaks discusses preference for GOP over Clinton, Russia, trolling, and feminists they don't like

Still, Twitter messages obtained by The Intercept provide an unfiltered window into WikiLeaks’ political goals before it dove into the white-hot center of the presidential election. The messages also reveal a running theme of sexism and misogyny, contain hints of anti-Semitism, and underline Assange’s well-documented obsession with his public image.
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crackersa said:
/looks for the SA politics thread
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jeez man, you said it.

What is happening here is so similar to back home. What is different is that when sheeeet happens, they investigate or have hearings about incidents. Corruption and rigged elections seem to be all over.
 
Scores of top White House officials lack permanent security clearances

More than 130 political appointees working in the Executive Office of the President did not have permanent security clearances as of November 2017, including the president’s daughter, son-in-law and his top legal counsel, according to internal White House documents obtained by NBC News.
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Starting to think some of the GOP concerns around Clinton's handling of confidential information wasn't sincere.
 
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...-usd130-000-rent-payments-does-it-add-up.html

While we can’t rule out this ad hoc in-flux accounting explanation—neither the White House nor the Trump campaign responded to inquiries about the issue—it is at the very least an eyebrow-raising coincidence that the Trump campaign made 14 rent payments to the Trump Organization in one calendar year, and that one of them, for $130,000, was made on the heels of a $130,000 hush-money payment “facilitated” by the Trump Organization’s special counsel.
 
waynegohl said:
jeez man, you said it.

What is happening here is so similar to back home. What is different is that when sheeeet happens, they investigate or have hearings about incidents. Corruption and rigged elections seem to be all over.
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Then start one, nobody is stopping you. A thread only exists because people keep posting in it.
 
waynegohl said:
jeez man, you said it.

What is happening here is so similar to back home. What is different is that when sheeeet happens, they investigate or have hearings about incidents. Corruption and rigged elections seem to be all over.
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There's like 1000 Zuma threads, how many SA politics threads do you guys want.
 
rietrot said:
There's like 1000 Zuma threads, how many SA politics threads do you guys want.
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Every once in a while someone feels obligated to step in and lecture us on how we're wasting our time discussing what we want to discuss. It's fine.
 
cerebus said:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...-usd130-000-rent-payments-does-it-add-up.html

While we can’t rule out this ad hoc in-flux accounting explanation—neither the White House nor the Trump campaign responded to inquiries about the issue—it is at the very least an eyebrow-raising coincidence that the Trump campaign made 14 rent payments to the Trump Organization in one calendar year, and that one of them, for $130,000, was made on the heels of a $130,000 hush-money payment “facilitated” by the Trump Organization’s special counsel.
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Cohen's statement is also very specific in saying the Trump Org/campaign didn't reimburse him. Didn't say Trump himself didn't...

Also, lol at his genius, because Daniels' lawyer is saying he invalidated her NDA...
 
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