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greg0205 said:
Immigration isn’t new. Kids being taken away from their parents is *all* Trump.

Also, better legislation? Trump loves this and young Gargamel thinks this is a winning play for the mid-terms.
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Lol. BS just the photo of kids in chages posted in this very thread is from the Obama era. No laws were changed the existing laws are just being implanted better, more efficiently. Maybe check some news sources other than CNN or MSNBC
 
rietrot said:
Lol. BS just the photo of kids in chages posted in this very thread is from the Obama era. No laws were changed the existing laws are just being implanted better, more efficiently. Maybe check some news sources other than CNN or MSNBC
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And that's the whole difference that seems to elude y'all.

Sure, laws are laws. The same laws were on the books for Obama *and* W. Bush (a fact that completely flies over your head)... The difference is that neither of those two administrations, Democratic *and* Republican, implemented policy to enforce those laws, because they knew this would happen.

Maybe check some sources other than the inside of your own colon.
 
rietrot said:
Lol. BS just the photo of kids in chages posted in this very thread is from the Obama era. No laws were changed the existing laws are just being implanted better, more efficiently. Maybe check some news sources other than CNN or MSNBC
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daveza said:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/
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A cluster of rumors about the controversial separation of families at the border held that the policy came before the Trump administration, either stemming from a 1997 “law” or purported policies of previous administrations. Those claims were false. No federal law required or suggested the family separation policy announced by Attorney General Sessions in several sets of remarks during April and May 2018.
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But the lies will continue. They don't actually care about facts.
 
greg0205 said:
And that's the whole difference that seems to elude y'all.

Sure, laws are laws. The same laws were on the books for Obama *and* W. Bush (a fact that completely flies over your head)... The difference is that neither of those two administrations, Democratic *and* Republican, implemented policy to enforce those laws, because they knew this would happen.

Maybe check some sources other than the inside of your own colon.
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They did enforce those laws(just at a lesser degree) it just didn't get the same media attention. The information is out there if only you could get out of your ideological bubble and read

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...ney-asked-obama-close-migrant-baby-jails-2015
 
rietrot said:
They did enforce those laws(just at a lesser degree) it just didn't get the same media attention. The information is out there if only you could get out of your ideological bubble and read

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...ney-asked-obama-close-migrant-baby-jails-2015
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Well, wouldn't you know... I read Andrew Free's story yesterday. Still didn't find the part were Obama took kids from their families on today's reading... In fact, in those family detention centres, kids weren't allowed to be far away from their mothers (as per your link).

I feel you're trying on some whataboutism for the current kidnappings, but it's not fitting very well at all.

EDIT: Here's Andrew's twitter thread from yesterday... https://twitter.com/ImmCivilRights/status/1008902662828511232
He was commenting on thread by a liberal activist called Leah McElrath... Top tip, *don't* follow Leah. I know you have an aversion to liberalism and that aversion might cause you snap-back and hurt yourself if you read her posts.
 
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greg0205 said:
Well, wouldn't you know... I read Andrew Free's story yesterday. Still didn't find the part were Obama took kids from their families on today's reading... In fact, in those family detention centres, kids weren't allowed to be far away from their mothers (as per your link).

I feel you're trying on some whataboutism for the current kidnappings, but it's not fitting very well at all.
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I'm not trying to whatabout anything. I generally agree with what the Trump administration is doing or at least I understand it.
 
rietrot said:
I'm not trying to whatabout anything. I generally agree with what the Trump administration is doing or at least I understand it.
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He's taking kids, by some reports as young as three months old, away from their parents.

So far, he and Cruella de Vil are only showing you pics of young boys in cages because boys fit the MS-13 narrative they're selling you. When the pics of the girls and the babies leak, and they will, all bets are off.

EDIT: Oh, and 45 is taking children but what about Obama's family detention centres is... You guessed it... Whataboutism.
 
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greg0205 said:
He's taking kids, by some reports as young as three month old, away from their parents.

So far, he and Cruella de Vil are only showing you pics of young boys in cages because boys fit the MS-13 narrative they're selling you. When the pics of the girls and the babies leak, and they will, all bets are off.
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Kids don't belong in adult detention centers. The kids need a safe space whilst the parents gets processed. My only problem is that that process and the time of separation takes to long. That needs be be relooked and the process needs to take a few hours at most for the US to decide do they want to allow someone in the country or send them back home. There shouldn't even be real detention centres, but because there is and because the process takes so long you can't have kids there.

Libtards freaking out about the kids won't fix the real problem.
 
Aside: Folk may not realise this, but there are conservatives out there I truly admire. I don't agree with them but that doesn't mean I can't like 'em... Folk like David Jolly for his humanity, Rick Wilson for his caustic wit and Steve Schmidt who is the best of both of the other two.

Steve posted this on Twitter this morning...

http://twitter.com/SteveSchmidtSES/status/1009325231004004352
 
OrbitalDawn said:
I'm not talking about the end of the process, I'm talking about the start. Someone coming to a port of entry and asking for asylum is not an illegal immigrant, and they're being turned away, illegally
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That's just the thing, the legality of turning them away is to be determined by a court or border protection agent, NOT some fluff piece in a news site. Funny how you wrongly insist that criminals are only criminals if convicted, yet seem fine with the idea that an asylum seeker is a legit asylum seeker just because they say so .....

fyi border control agents have the power to make a determination of an asylum seeker's prospects right there on the spot under US law

OrbitalDawn said:
How did you manage to get this exactly ass-backwards? A criminal judgement in court makes you a criminal, they aren't criminals automatically.
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You first, how did you get is exactly wrong? A criminal is someone who committed a crime, that's the exact definition of the word, grab your dictionary and look it up. A court judgement can exonerate them or make them convicted criminals. Regardless, simply committing a crime makes one a criminal, you never have to see the inside of a court to be a criminal.
 
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greg0205 said:
Aside: Folk may not realise this, but there are conservatives out there I truly admire. I don't agree with them but that doesn't mean I can't like 'em... Folk like David Jolly for his humanity, Rick Wilson for his caustic wit and Steve Schmidt who is the best of both of the other two.

Steve posted this on Twitter this morning...

http://twitter.com/SteveSchmidtSES/status/1009325231004004352
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Lol, the liberal virtue signaling equivalent of a honkey saying "I have black friends".
 
Trump, no doubt, has absolutely no idea of the negative impact he is having on national security with this policy.

He is gifting terrorists with fantastic propaganda. He is creating the best source of recruitment material for terrorists.

Imagine as a 15 year old being separated from your parents, never seeing them again. The grudge you will bear. Easily influenced by anti-US propaganda.

Imagine being a parent and losing your child. The hatred you will have for the US.
 
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You first, how did you get is exactly wrong? A criminal is someone who committed a crime, that's the exact definition of the word, grab your dictionary and look it up. A court judgement can exonerate them or make them convicted criminals. Regardless, simply committing a crime makes one a criminal, you never have to see the inside of a court to be a criminal.
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No you are getting suspect and criminal confused, being arrested doesn't make you a criminal.
 
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