US politics general thread

[Techne]

No I don't think I had your amazing anarchistic worldview till at least high school

I am sure you can do better than this:crylaugh:

 

[rietrot]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-20/cnn-tries-shame-border-patrol-agent-fails

CNN brought on Chris Cabrera, a spokesperson for the National Border Patrol Council, Tuesday to discuss the Trump administration enforcing America’s border laws.

The Trump administration has enacted a policy of zero tolerance when enforcing America’s border laws. The laws result in separating some families if they cross the border illegally at non-checkpoint locations.

CNN’s Brooke Baldwin brought on*Cabrera to grill him over the enforcement of the policy. However, it was Baldwin who got the grilling when Cabrera fact-checked her over the status of immigrants at the border

 

[RanzB]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-20/cnn-tries-shame-border-patrol-agent-fails

Ah the sh*tstain that is ZH.

On the exchange between the two officers:

"It is what it is. They're probably just making light of a bad situation. It is what it is"

Wow, well done grilling her Cabrera. A+.

Not to mention this little gem:

"Congress needs to come in there, need to get to work and to change this law"

Oh but wait:

Senator denied entry to see Florida child migrant facility

:crylaugh: Awesome reporting from ZeroSense as usual

 

[RanzB]

Oh and lest we forget:



Well done Conservatards.

 

[buka001]

ICE Director: ICE Can't Be Compared To Nazis Since We're Just Following Orders

I honestly thought that was an Onion article. Sadly it is not.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

And that's the whole difference that seems to elude y'all.

Sure, laws are laws. The same laws were on the books for Obama *and* W. Bush (a fact that completely flies over your head)... The difference is that neither of those two administrations, Democratic *and* Republican, implemented policy to enforce those laws, because they knew this would happen.

Maybe check some sources other than the inside of your own colon.

No, this isn't quite right. They didn't "choose not to enforce those laws". There is no law mandating this that has to be done at all. The laws as is allow broad enough scope for administrations to do this (which is bad enough) - Trump's admin explicitly chose to do this. The previous 2 explicitly chose not to.

That's just the thing, the legality of turning them away is to be determined by a court or border protection agent, NOT some fluff piece in a news site.

Nope. Their asylum application can be turned down. But there are laws about the application process itself. Read the article.

Funny how you wrongly insist that criminals are only criminals if convicted, yet seem fine with the idea that an asylum seeker is a legit asylum seeker just because they say so

Funny that you make things up that I never said.

 

[RanzB]

Trump Signs Executive Order to Keep Immigrant Families Together

While the order could possibly work to quell the furor over the controversial practice of separating families at the border, it marks a reversal for a man who hates to admit defeat, and comes just days after arguments from his administration that only lawmakers could put an end to the practice. “Congress and the courts created this problem, and Congress alone can fix it,” Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said Monday. Nielsen appeared alongside Trump Wednesday as he signed the order meant to end family separations.

The separations at the border began earlier this year, when Sessions mandated that all people caught crossing into the U.S. illegally be referred for criminal prosecution. Under that policy, adults were sent to jail under the auspices of the Department of Homeland Security, while children have been held in facilities run by the Office of Refugee Resettlement. Since the policy was implemented, over 2,000 children have been separated, according to government figures.


But until Wednesday, Trump had been vociferously defending his immigration policy. He insisted Tuesday that illegal immigrants were “infesting” the country, and subsequently asserted that the only other option was to release all the undocumented immigrants detained at the border.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Cue the countdown to Trumpets praising Dear Leader for taking bold action against the problem he created and lied about.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Seems legit.

US lobbyist for Russian oligarch visited Julian Assange nine times last year

A longtime US lobbyist for the Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska visited Julian Assange nine times at the Ecuadorian embassy in London last year, according to visitor logs seen by the Guardian.

Adam Waldman, who has worked as a Washington lobbyist for the metals tycoon since 2009, had more meetings with Assange in 2017 than almost anyone else, the records show.

...

Deripaska is a key person in the investigation by the special counsel Robert Mueller into alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Moscow.

According to the Associated Press, Trump’s future campaign manager Paul Manafort began work for Deripaska in 2005 and pitched a plan that would “greatly benefit [Vladimir] Putin’s government.” In 2006 Manafort signed a $10m annual contract with Deripaska, a close ally of Russia’s president.

In summer 2016, when he was Trump’s campaign chief, Manafort offered Deripaska a confidential briefing, emails turned over to Congress and Mueller show. The briefing never happened, Manafort says. Deripaska was filmed soon afterwards on his luxury yacht discussing the forthcoming US election with Russia’s deputy prime minister, Sergei Prikhodko.

 

[cerebus]

https://gizmodo.com/lawsuit-detained-immigrant-children-in-texas-forced-to-1826997597

The lawsuit includes devastating affidavits by children and parents about their alleged treatment at Shiloh, along with documentation that lays out the staggering number of drugs some children were allegedly told to take (as many as 18 pills in one day, according to one account). The lawsuit describes children who were given these medications supposedly to help treat their depression or other mental health issues. But in many cases, these children have alleged, they were told they had to take the drugs in order to see their parents again, while others were told the drugs were actually vitamins.

Most of the drugs mentioned in the lawsuit, such as olanzapine and quetiapine, are antipsychotics used to treat schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and depression. But there are also drugs like prazosin, used to treat high blood pressure, post-traumatic stress disorder, and anxiety, and benzodiazepines like clonazepam, a tranquilizer used to manage seizures and panic attacks.




Summer school!

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Of course it was gonna get worse.

Young immigrants detained in Virginia center allege abuse

Immigrant children as young as 14 housed at a juvenile detention center in Virginia say they were beaten while handcuffed and locked up for long periods in solitary confinement, left nude and shivering in concrete cells.

The abuse claims against the Shenandoah Valley Juvenile Center near Staunton, Virginia, are detailed in federal court filings that include a half-dozen sworn statements from Latino teens jailed there for months or years. Multiple detainees say the guards stripped them of their clothes and strapped them to chairs with bags placed over their heads.

 

[greg0205]

Of course it was gonna get worse.

Young immigrants detained in Virginia center allege abuse

Said it earlier... Everything we’ve seen so far has been staged managed. We’re seeing what these folk want us to see, and what they want us to see was bad enough for 45 to do an about-face and sign a EO for the cameras (something he could have done it with a tweet).

They’re turning away media, they’re turning away lawyers, hell, they’re turning away US senators.

It’s *still* going to get so much worse.

 

[rietrot]

Ah the sh*tstain that is ZH.

On the exchange between the two officers:

"It is what it is. They're probably just making light of a bad situation. It is what it is"

Wow, well done grilling her Cabrera. A+.

Not to mention this little gem:

"Congress needs to come in there, need to get to work and to change this law"

Oh but wait:

Senator denied entry to see Florida child migrant facility

:crylaugh: Awesome reporting from ZeroSense as usual

Big difference between Congress and one Democrat senator pitching up with a few news crews trying to stir up some outrage and score political points.

 

[cerebus]

Said it earlier... Everything we’ve seen so far has been staged managed. We’re seeing what these folk want us to see, and what they want us to see was bad enough for 45 to do an about-face and sign a EO for the cameras (something he could have done it with a tweet).

They’re turning away media, they’re turning away lawyers, hell, they’re turning away US senators.

It’s *still* going to get so much worse.

Especially since the EO really hasn't fixed the problem.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...l-indefinite-detention-and-fixed-nothing.html

The likeliest scenario, then, is pretty bleak. Immigration advocates will reject this subversion of Flores, the courts will rule that immigrant children must be released, and the zero-tolerance Trump administration will quite possibly respond by returning to family separation. Parents will again be detained by themselves, their children will be sent to “shelters” that operate like prisons, and everyone else will be back to where they started. Trump’s stopgap policy, then, fails to resolve the issue driving this crisis: The Justice Department’s insistence on prosecuting every undocumented immigrant to the full extent of the law, even those who committed a mere misdemeanor by entering the country without authorization. It is a crisis that the president concocted, and one that—in spite of Wednesday’s half-measure—he still refuses to end.

 

[yebocan]

Said it earlier... Everything we’ve seen so far has been staged managed. We’re seeing what these folk want us to see, and what they want us to see was bad enough for 45 to do an about-face and sign a EO for the cameras (something he could have done it with a tweet).

They’re turning away media, they’re turning away lawyers, hell, they’re turning away US senators.

It’s *still* going to get so much worse.

he is but testing the waters, how far...and at what pace can he push...like you said, this is not the end...this is all part of the process...the demagogue doing what it is meant to do...disfigure/destroy all facets that flows from democracy.

 

[greg0205]

he is but testing the waters, how far...and at what pace can he push...like you said, this is not the end...this is all part of the process...the demagogue doing what it is meant to do...disfigure/destroy all facets that flows from democracy.

Overton Window

https://www.vox.com/2017/12/21/16806676/strikethrough-how-trump-overton-window-extreme-normal

 

[yebocan]

Overton Window

https://www.vox.com/2017/12/21/16806676/strikethrough-how-trump-overton-window-extreme-normal

thanks

 

[greg0205]

Here's one for you good MAGA folk.

It occurs to me your second favourite crusade is Israel, so... Israeli officials concerned by U.S. pullout from human rights council

Discuss.

 

[crackersa]

Here's one for you good MAGA folk.

It occurs to me your second favourite crusade is Israel, so... Israeli officials concerned by U.S. pullout from human rights council

Discuss.

I don’t think we should have pulled out. It sends a message that we don’t care about human rights (that’s a different debate). Should have stayed to try and fix it from within instead of throwing a tantrum and saying “we are leaving and taking our toys with us!”

 

[The Voice]

Here's one for you good MAGA folk.

It occurs to me your second favourite crusade is Israel, so... Israeli officials concerned by U.S. pullout from human rights council

Discuss.

Strange, considering they're not even members:

https://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/Pages/CurrentMembers.aspx

Having said that, looking at some of the countries on the list (Saudi Arabia?!), I'm not sure they've properly defined what human rights are meant to be.