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US puts seized Iraq documents on the web
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arf9999
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Can you spell "propaganda"?
Actually heard on one of the news channels that one of Saddam's generals was telling them how he hired a Syrian commercial jet to get the chemical and biologicals out of IRAQ before the war and transfered them into Syria. From there they have been distributed to various other Arab countries.
They are speculating that this is one of the reasons why the Iranian president is being so arrogant in saying that ISRAEL should be wiped off the map and that the holocaust never happened, etc.
They are speculating that this is one of the reasons why the Iranian president is being so arrogant in saying that ISRAEL should be wiped off the map and that the holocaust never happened, etc.
I hate conspircay theories, but if you were the US would you:
a) release random documents not knowing what they contain
b) carefully selected documents that make the american public think "damn, bush was right to go to war!"
Propaganda for the information age. I have to hand it to them, it's very smart.
bb_matt
Executive Member
Jeez, you guys have really short memories, which I guess is what the propoganda machine relies on.
The statement "No way would America release documents that could embarass them" is patently absurd.
Anyone remember the debacle around the "missing WMD's" ?
Remember Powell rambling on about the fact that Iraq has them and can attack at any moment?
Remember the faked documentation related to this?
Remember how, although not directly admitting the documentation was partially fake, everyone knew it was?
Now how embarrasing is that?
The statement "No way would America release documents that could embarass them" is patently absurd.
Anyone remember the debacle around the "missing WMD's" ?
Remember Powell rambling on about the fact that Iraq has them and can attack at any moment?
Remember the faked documentation related to this?
Remember how, although not directly admitting the documentation was partially fake, everyone knew it was?
Now how embarrasing is that?
moosag
Expert Member
No offence but that is just digital propganda!
Half the american people are'nt the sharpest tools in the shed.
There's no hope for understanding Arabic. With their American accent they are going to struggle!.
But anyways if the so called "power of the blogosphere" is added to the pot, ThEn WhO KnOwS???
Half the american people are'nt the sharpest tools in the shed.
There's no hope for understanding Arabic. With their American accent they are going to struggle!.
But anyways if the so called "power of the blogosphere" is added to the pot, ThEn WhO KnOwS???
arf9999
MyBroadband Member
Would be good if we didn't have to hear it from the US. They're not exactly impartial.Peter7 said:
Above were not intentionally released by the US govermentbb_matt said:Jeez, you guys have really short memories, which I guess is what the propoganda machine relies on.
The statement "No way would America release documents that could embarass them" is patently absurd.
Anyone remember the debacle around the "missing WMD's" ?
Remember Powell rambling on about the fact that Iraq has them and can attack at any moment?
Remember the faked documentation related to this?
Remember how, although not directly admitting the documentation was partially fake, everyone knew it was?
Now how embarrasing is that?
So if i understand you correctly you believe that these documents are released for the internet community to assist the US?
arf9999 said:
That's true. Having it independantly verified from other countries with people in the field would nail it down. Not sure how many countries are involved there though - France, Britain, Australia.... Best thing to do would be to question a large sampling of Iraqis living under the regime. I also wonder how you would go about doing that, because obviously you'll have a minority that support Saddam for whatever reason?!
You know there are some strong parallels that can be drawn with the telecoms situation in South Africa with Telkom as the dictator.
Let's get the US to come in and bunker bust the Telkom HQ, send in lazer guided missles to destroy the ADSL exchanges and then have them rebuild the infrastructure once the dust settles.
At least that way they'll liberate us from Telkom's rule - b/c sure as heck nobody else in this country seems to be able to. (GOVT, ICASA, etc etc etc etc etc)
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arf9999
MyBroadband Member
It wouldn't work: Telkom doesn't have access to oil.Peter7 said:That's true. Having it independantly verified from other countries with people in the field would nail it down. Not sure how many countries are involved there though - France, Britain, Australia.... Best thing to do would be to question a large sampling of Iraqis living under the regime. I also wonder how you would go about doing that, because obviously you'll have a minority that support Saddam for whatever reason?!
You know there are some strong parallels that can be drawn with the telecoms situation in South Africa with Telkom as the dictator.
Let's get the US to come in and bunker bust the Telkom HQ, send in lazer guided missles to destroy the ADSL exchanges and then have them rebuild the infrastructure once the dust settles.
This F@cking country and it's citizens. Any thing bad in this country "It is a leftover from the Apatheid era" Anything good "It is the ANC" no matter who planned it.
Same anything bad in the F@cked world it is Bush and America! Any information and action against USA it an American conspiracy to hurt themselves. Any information given by America it's propoganda .
GAwd remember what the Hussein devil did and what Iran wants to do. These arabs and muslims are sick and the world will rue what they allowed to develop! All just against country's that is for Israel not Against.
WMD's did exist, remember the scuds, Chemicals and gas were used by Hussein everybody simplify the matter as there was no Nukes, but that could have been, that was a small part of it. So who cares and who knows. In years to come with a USA foothold in the mid east the world will have to thank them for what they prevented.
Same anything bad in the F@cked world it is Bush and America! Any information and action against USA it an American conspiracy to hurt themselves. Any information given by America it's propoganda .
GAwd remember what the Hussein devil did and what Iran wants to do. These arabs and muslims are sick and the world will rue what they allowed to develop! All just against country's that is for Israel not Against.
WMD's did exist, remember the scuds, Chemicals and gas were used by Hussein everybody simplify the matter as there was no Nukes, but that could have been, that was a small part of it. So who cares and who knows. In years to come with a USA foothold in the mid east the world will have to thank them for what they prevented.
arf9999
MyBroadband Member
Whatever makes you feel good. Some may say that you're naive and that the biggest threat to the world comes from USA imperialism, but hey - whatever floats your boat.pupa said:
Just something to ponder: If the USA went into Iraq just because Saddam was a big bully, why don't they do the same thing in any of the other countries where they think that this is the case? For example Zimbabwe, Cuba, North Korea, Burma, Tibet, Dafur, etc. etc. Short answer: there's nothing in it for them.
Arf's patented foretelling of the future : Next target: Nigeria (wait for the "offers of military assistance" to the Nigerian government to help quell the revolt in the Niger Delta).
And after that?... "...hey that Chavez bloke in Venezuala is mouthing off again... what's that? Venezuela has oil... well maybe we need to help restore freedom in Latin America."
None of those countrys is a threat to USA, not even Cuba as USA have them under wraps. The Middleast with the sick Arabs and muslims...That something else. I also do not agree with what happened and wish there was a better way but must USA and Israel wait for a nuke before they react? The USA is ensuring their and the rest of the worlds survival and the only way is force. Look at diplomacy! North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Saudia Arabia, Syria..They are just buying for time that is what diplomacy in their language actually mean.
Maybe I am naive but do YOU really think the world will be a better place without the USA? C'mon.
Maybe I am naive but do YOU really think the world will be a better place without the USA? C'mon.
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arf9999 said:
You are right and that again is for self survival. Let the Arabs boikot the world with oil to cripple the world economy and then you will see how many other countries will go to war because of it. Even France, Germany even Russia would be at war faster than you think or do You think they will lay down and thank the Arabs.
Oil and its availability to the world is off course the sore point. Only if America could be involved in these countries with diplomacy they would be, but because these countries are anti Israel; Arab and most of Africa, and the same here in ZAR, America and their allies is sidelined and that is the crux of the matter.
FUTURE Survival!
arf9999
MyBroadband Member
Iraq was a threat to the good ol' US of A? Pull the other one. Iraq was a threat to Haliburton inc... maybe.pupa said:
Yes I think you are naive. But that's my point of view. You are welcome to yours. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I think it is a bad thing when superpowers meddle in international affairs purely to benefit their domestic agenda. What gives US citizens more rights than those of the rest of the world? Money?
edit: Sorry, I didn't answer your question. I never said that the USA should disappear, i just think that they should spend a bit more time fixing their own problems and leave the rest of the world to fix theirs.
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arf9999 said:
USA was the last country that joined WW2. l They were begged and forced into it. Was not their fight what happened thereafter?? They saved the world!
PPL forget quick.
If the world had no leader. Or someone with the guts to lead, what do you think where would we be now? Maybe we would have been all German or was that also an American conspiracy? WW2 I mean!
I think personally USA must do what they did before WW2 meddle their own bussiness and let the world rot as without the USA and their mentality this world would have been doomed.
Then again because I think different than the average ZAR citizen regards to USA and Apartheid and this ZAR GVT I am labeled as naive or sometimes racist. Because I am in the minority. It depend who's angle you look at it.
I'm no history buff, but didn't they only join the war once they were directly involved against Japan?
Besides, it wasn't purely the USA that 'saved the world', as I understand it, the advent of nuclear weapons helped things along.
Besides, it wasn't purely the USA that 'saved the world', as I understand it, the advent of nuclear weapons helped things along.