VANS self-provisioning debate is over

I still wonder why on earth IS and Vox tried to block Altech?

Considering the dealstream non-sense with Vox, perhaps was just stupididy

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ivy lost? my word! ok so when are we going to see any type of savings?
 
damian24 said:
I still wonder why on earth IS and Vox tried to block Altech?

Considering the dealstream non-sense with Vox, perhaps was just stupididy

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I think IS and Vox were to receive a ECNS licence anyway, so they wanted to block potential rivals from getting one. Other factions also opposed Altech because they did not want an ECNS licence and did not want Altech to hold up the show.

But in the end we should be better off. Yes there will be a few fly-by-night retards that will take customers for a ride, but the beauty of a free market model is that these operators will die out and only the competent ones remain :D
 
How far is LLU? Will these guys have access to the Local Loop?
 
friedpiggy said:
LLU is a myth. There is no such thing in SA and never will be.
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you may ultimately turn out to be right but i would be interested to know why you say this?

are you aware that there are three days of LLU sessions this week with telkom, ICASA and ISPA and that the process is actually fairly well-advanced? (which is not to say it will ultimately be succesful or relevant)
 
Pilgrim said:
I think IS and Vox were to receive a ECNS licence anyway, so they wanted to block potential rivals from getting one. Other factions also opposed Altech because they did not want an ECNS licence and did not want Altech to hold up the show.
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i think IS, Vox and Smile were a little confused (which was understandable given the role of the Minister) & they were pretty half-hearted in their opposition - nobody else opposed it in any sense but they were respondents for purely technical legal reasons

But in the end we should be better off. Yes there will be a few fly-by-night retards that will take customers for a ride, but the beauty of a free market model is that these operators will die out and only the competent ones remain :D
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yip
there will definitely be some blood on the dance floor in the next 2 years
 
Tns said:
ivy lost? my word! ok so when are we going to see any type of savings?
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not very soon. it is not as simple as switching on a new network and offering new services, it takes alot of planning, alot of more planning, and ALOT of money. and then some more planning and testing.
 
blood on the dance floor?

bring it on.

the phantom of the opera is now long gone, and the players can continue with the play.
 
Rabbit7766 said:
not very soon. it is not as simple as switching on a new network and offering new services, it takes alot of planning, alot of more planning, and ALOT of money. and then some more planning and testing.
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agreed that it will take a while for new networks to appear but, for me, the importance of the self-provisioning ruling will first be seen on a far smaller scale with ISPs looking at their networks and cherry-picking the best parts to self-provide

the fact that they can build it themselves changes the commercial reality of the build / lease equation, i.e. before Altech i had no choice but to lease from Telkom...now i have (a) a choice between Telkom and others & (b) the choice to build it myself if this is less expensive over time than leasing

this should have a fairly quick impact on pricing
 
TimTDP said:
Will Ivy not increase the cost of licence fees and place draconian demands on companies applying for licences? Then she can still control the process!
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nope - too late for licence conversion :)

the fun will be with frequency later next year but i do not think the Minister will have any involvement
 
dominic said:
you may ultimately turn out to be right but i would be interested to know why you say this?

are you aware that there are three days of LLU sessions this week with telkom, ICASA and ISPA and that the process is actually fairly well-advanced? (which is not to say it will ultimately be succesful or relevant)
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Its a poisoned chalice. we (as consumers) should tell telkom that we're not interested in LLU. The more Telkom prevents others from giving access, the better the alternatives.

ISP's should, frankly, roll their own, rather than waste time on fighting to get access to Telkom's stuff....
 
I think the immediate benefits will be short point to point links and backhaul. If as a small ISP you can setup a 5km wireless link from your office or a 500m link from a business customer to, say, an Internet Solutions POP, you can save a fortune on leasing a diginet line for the same purpose and pass that saving on to your customers.

The bottlenecks will still be national transport for a while. International will most likely work out cheaper than local by the middle of next year when SEACOM is available. I can see some rediculous scenarios where a POP in Cape Town routes Durban traffic via France and India cheaper than a direct local link.
 
While I don't know any details of the extent of dominic's legal involvement in bringing Poison Ivy to her knees, I do know that our very own dominic has for years publicised the fact that VANs were entitled to self-provision as of 2005-02-01, and I'm sure that it is dominic's legal opinion that has helped to bring about the victory over Poison Ivy's & Stalin-Mafole's [mis]Managed [Telecoms] Liberalisation policy.

dominic, we owe you a debt of gratitude for your efforts, thank you :).
 
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Think again before celebrating.

A court of law might have found Ivy's policy directives garbage instead of the 4th branch of law as she sees it but unfortunately indirectly that is exactly what it is.

Ivy's policy directives still dictate ICASA's functioning. You might be able to self provide but Ivy will make sure that Altech still is a very long long way from getting a Wimax license. Altech might have won a battle but Ivy wins the war.

The closest Craig Venter will get to seeing broadband is if Ivy sits on his face. :p
 
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