VD Merwe is a genius

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So two witnesses in the Motata case have claimed that digital data is easy to manipulate and vd Merwe (a professor from UNISA) says no special skills are necessary.

Quick recap - Motata was drunk, drove his car through a wall, and then hurled racist abuse at all and sundry. Oh, and he is/was a judge.

The chap who owns the wall used his cell phone to video record what was going on. He copied the stuff off of his cell phone onto a computer and now there is a debate in court about whether this is admissable evidence.

Enter the genius.

He claims that digital data is easy to manipulate, that you don't need special skills, and there is no way of determining its authenticity as there is no original against which to compare it.

My thoughts - digital data is easier to manipulate than analogue data but this doesn't make it easy. All those people who have their names at the end of the CGI movies do have skills. On proving that it is authentic, well I'd content that that component is irrelevant.

The defence does not want this evidence led in court as it clearly shws Motata, drunk, behind the wheel of the car that crashed through the wall, being rasist and abusive. If the digital video had been manipulated without skill, then there would destruction in the data. In which case the precution wouldn't be trying to have it admitted as it wouldn't show anything. The alternative is that the video was fabricated.

So, without skill, one chap recreated the scene, the people, and the sound track. Hmmm. A single frame on a CGI movie can take hours to days to render and needs a chunk of computing power. This chap invested millions to support his claim for damages for a garden wall worth a few thousand rands? I think not. He managed, again without skill, to draw a realistic likeness of Motata and is also a natural mimic in getting all the voices done just right too.

Oh, why did I say that comparing to an original is irrelevant? Well, in order to prove manipulation should either be very simple - there will be edits in the file being viewed, or the entire file had to have been rerendered to remove 'evidence' of edits in which case we're back to the considerable natural talents of the chap who made the recording and his significant investment in cgi equipment.
 
So, without skill, one chap recreated the scene, the people, and the sound track. Hmmm. A single frame on a CGI movie can take hours to days to render and needs a chunk of computing power. This chap invested millions to support his claim for damages for a garden wall worth a few thousand rands? I think not. He managed, again without skill, to draw a realistic likeness of Motata and is also a natural mimic in getting all the voices done just right too.


Yeah good point, but like all politicians he will never own up ......
 
Boet, remember, when you're guilty, you'll do and say anything to get outta the mess you got yourself into.

Yep - quite aware of it. But it kinda burns that some idiot from UNISA makes a stupid statement about data being easy to manipulate and no skill being needed to do so. Yes, messing up data is sort of easy and goodness knows that you don't need special skills to do that, but it tends to be destructive.

To manipulate data to the extent that there is no way you can tell it was manipulated takes huge skill and/or resources.

Can you now imagine the loop hole that this will create if allowed. EG every single camera fine could now be challenged and thrown out. The data could have been manipulated (think Photoshop). The CCTV footage of muggers in the CBD can now be challenged.
 
Boet, remember, when you're guilty, you'll do and say anything to get outta the mess you got yourself into.

What wasn't recorded speaks more than what is being presented as recordings. The racist Richard Baird was more interested in humiliating and degrading a black judge than he was about his fence. As soon as Baird came on to the property and realized he had a vulnerable black Judge on his hands he jumped at the opportunity for revenge.

Baird claims that he only started filming and recording when he was being "abused", however there were pictures of the Judge taken while he was still asleep behind the wheel.

If Baird wasn't the heartless racist he is, he would have gone to the Judge's aid rather than standing by recording him and calling him degrading names. If one see someone in need do help them first, not try to cause problems and escalate the trouble.

Judge Motata offered to pay for the wall that was damaged, but that wasn't good enough for Richard Baird. Baird was out for blood.

Even the tenant of the house which had the wall damaged didn't want to press charges and wanted it handled like gentleman. However Baird threatened him with arrest and eviction if he refused to testify against the Judge.

This is just as much of a trial of Richard Baird as it is for Judge Motata.
 
Wendel. Doesn't really matter why or how the evidence came to be.
Unless you are willing to have this man run over your family members and get away with it, I don't think you have a leg to stand on.
 
Wendel. Doesn't really matter why or how the evidence came to be.
Unless you are willing to have this man run over your family members and get away with it, I don't think you have a leg to stand on.

When the "evidence" is something that can easily be manipulated and the person who is presenting it clearly has a racist motive it does matter how the evidence came to be.

If it was a white man who crashed through the wall I'm sure that Baird would have given him a warm place to relax while Baird contacted one of his relatives to come over and get him.
 
I think the defense should prove that the guy had the means to manipulate the data. For some reason i don't think notepad or Windows Movie Maker is going to be enough.
 
I think the defense should prove that the guy had the means to manipulate the data. For some reason i don't think notepad or Windows Movie Maker is going to be enough.

Sure he has the means. He has an agenda and he has money. Also, he is/was a director of an IT company so I'm sure he can easily find the human resources to do it.
 
Sure he has the means. He has an agenda and he has money. Also, he is/was a director of an IT company so I'm sure he can easily find the human resources to do it.

But did he have the time? Also, what did the IT company do? Produce animation for studios, or did they support MS products? If by agenda you mean trying to get the person that drove drunk and destroyed property (this time) behind bars, then yes, I agree.
 
But did he have the time? Also, what did the IT company do? Produce animation for studios, or did they support MS products? If by agenda you mean trying to get the person that drove drunk and destroyed property (this time) behind bars, then yes, I agree.

He doesn't have to do it himself, so time isn't an issue. So according to your logic if he isn't an auto mechanic then he can't have his car repaired when it breaks down? A 30 second Google search will provide you with loads of software for audio manipulation. Dig a little deeper and you will find people able to do it for you.
 
He doesn't have to do it himself, so time isn't an issue. So according to your logic if he isn't an auto mechanic then he can't have his car repaired when it breaks down? A 30 second Google search will provide you with loads of software for audio manipulation. Dig a little deeper and you will find people able to do it for you.

How long after the incident did the police have the video in their possession?
 
When the "evidence" is something that can easily be manipulated and the person who is presenting it clearly has a racist motive it does matter how the evidence came to be.

If it was a white man who crashed through the wall I'm sure that Baird would have given him a warm place to relax while Baird contacted one of his relatives to come over and get him.

and we'd all be whining about it. 3/4 of the country is racist. Wakey wakey Could you manipulate that kind of evidence? I doubt 99.9999% of people would even know where to start, nevermind leave no trace. So he has a racist motive.. By your logic I could use that to get away with anything. N E THING! You support the ANC? Sounds like you are educated in their methods.
 
How long after the incident did the police have the video in their possession?

Not sure, however that is an important question. But because the copy of the recordings that were played in the courtroom were 3rd generation copies it would seem to indicate that the delay in handing them over is significant.
 
The defense only needs to cast doubt on the recording. As this is a criminal case, it has to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt. Anit seems this prof is respected as noone has come to discredit him. IMO, if there is doubt about the authenticity of the recording, then it should not be admisable.

You would think one would keep better care of the memory card of where you recorded some dude crashing into your wall, and hurling abuse at you.
 
and we'd all be whining about it. 3/4 of the country is racist. Wakey wakey Could you manipulate that kind of evidence? I doubt 99.9999% of people would even know where to start, nevermind leave no trace. So he has a racist motive.. By your logic I could use that to get away with anything. N E THING! You support the ANC? Sounds like you are educated in their methods.

Where did you get that statistic that 75 percent of the country is racist? I would agree that 75% of this forum is racist, but then again this forum is made by racists for racists. It's not as bad as some, though.

Also, I'm not saying that the Judge should get away with anything, however he shouldn't be railroaded by a racist with a hidden agenda.
 
This thread was showing some promise of becoming quite interesting until ...

... The racist Richard Baird was more interested in humiliating and degrading a black judge than he was about his fence. ...a vulnerable black Judge on his hands he jumped at the opportunity for revenge.

....Baird wasn't the heartless racist he is, Judge Motata offered to pay for the wall that was damaged, but that wasn't good enough for Richard Baird. Baird was out for blood....
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.... However Baird threatened him with arrest and eviction if he refused to testify against the Judge....
This is just as much of a trial of Richard Baird as it is for Judge Motata.


/me adds Wendel to ignore list
 
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