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Question of the Day: What is the ultimate French toast topping?
"Vista Users Just got a lot more Hackable"
Someone knows what's cooking...
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HavocXphere
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I wonder whether this also applies to Vista with FF....doesn't sound like it.
I wouldn't count on it. The last time they had a Hacking Comp (CanSecWest) the Mac got hacked first, Vista on the next day...and Ubuntu wasn't hacked. The only thing that protects the Macs is their low market share.
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Someone has woken up and smelled the roses!
Another score for Ubuntu/Linux. I'll just sit back and wait till next week when someone discovers another massive flaw in Vista.proximiti99
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umm, looks like its 8.04 time, with ff.
It's always been time for Linux with Firefox. I'm busy downloading Gentoo for some more fun, but I'm getting speeds of 43-56KBps on a 384kbps line (with my general maximum speed being 38-39.9KBps)!!
But back on topic, I think M$ has a while to go before they can call themselves true operating system people. They make fine software (Visual Studio and try to make a good office suite, almost there) but need to work on their functionality, security features, resource utilization and the likes.
But back on topic, I think M$ has a while to go before they can call themselves true operating system people. They make fine software (Visual Studio and try to make a good office suite, almost there) but need to work on their functionality, security features, resource utilization and the likes.
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I think it's just 'cos there are many fewer crApple users.
If they become way more widely used, and Linux too, hackers etc. will just start targetting those OSs much more.
The Windows pool is just so much bigger, with many more fish in it...
Seems that you do no know just how hard it is to find vulnerabilities in Linux. They are fixed within days, sometimes hours after one is found (which isn't often). The thing is that it has been written so well that well yeah, it's a little hard to exploit anything.
so you reckon all the servers running linux don't count?
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Well no, but most of these "hackers" are looking for lax people that they can grab credit card numbers etc. are they not?
I guess it was not the most well thought out statement
i'll have to admit, I don't know how hard it is to find vulnerabilities in Linux so I was not really speaking from a knowledgeable stand point, I've heard many times that it is very secure, and that windows is not, but I don't know much technical stuff behind this.
I think of the average "attack" being basically what I said, chancers looking for credit card numbers/personal info etc.
Servers never really occured to me either
I think there's some truth to my original statement though, a lot of people don't have a clue about security, and a lot of those people are on windows, therefore easily exploitable, with all windows apparent security flaws. Surely whatever OS these security unwise people use, isn't going to be the be all and end all of security woes?
You'll still always get idiots that grab dodgy **** with trojans etc, surely you can still affect a secure OS with a back door or something?
Surely if everyone jumps on the apple or linux bandwagon they ("hackers") aren't going to just say, "Oh well, everyone uses Linux and or Mac know, we had a good run but it's time to turn in the towel.)
They'll just work harder to get things done (some at least).
I guess it was not the most well thought out statement
i'll have to admit, I don't know how hard it is to find vulnerabilities in Linux so I was not really speaking from a knowledgeable stand point, I've heard many times that it is very secure, and that windows is not, but I don't know much technical stuff behind this.
I think of the average "attack" being basically what I said, chancers looking for credit card numbers/personal info etc.
Servers never really occured to me either
I think there's some truth to my original statement though, a lot of people don't have a clue about security, and a lot of those people are on windows, therefore easily exploitable, with all windows apparent security flaws. Surely whatever OS these security unwise people use, isn't going to be the be all and end all of security woes?
You'll still always get idiots that grab dodgy **** with trojans etc, surely you can still affect a secure OS with a back door or something?
Surely if everyone jumps on the apple or linux bandwagon they ("hackers") aren't going to just say, "Oh well, everyone uses Linux and or Mac know, we had a good run but it's time to turn in the towel.)
They'll just work harder to get things done (some at least).
it intrigues me when i see that people don't realise that while linux may not have a huge desktop base, in other areas it is very well regarded.
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I agree with you on that one. Linux is honestly more of a hard-core corporate world OS. Sure, more and more of the public is veering towards it. Awesome. But the unsung heroes... they all use Linux. All the techies at the University of Pretoria for instance, uses Linux. You wouldn't know that because you don't see them at work. Most ISPs use Linux for administration and for web-hosting (Ubuntu server is apparently pretty awesome for hosting).
But with the back-door thing, it's recently come to light that Skype apparently wrote a backdoor for their program. Sure, well even Windows has one. M$ admitted that. But it is for legal reasons and to allow the feds/authorities easy access to a system without having to worry about passwords or other security (for use in forensic computer warrants). Linux does not belong to any one person and all Linux programmers, you can ask any of them, have the security of the community at heart. You get the rogue programmer or two, but the rest will all tell you to go to hell if you even suggest some sort of backdoor.
I agree with you on that one. Linux is honestly more of a hard-core corporate world OS. Sure, more and more of the public is veering towards it. Awesome. But the unsung heroes... they all use Linux. All the techies at the University of Pretoria for instance, uses Linux. You wouldn't know that because you don't see them at work. Most ISPs use Linux for administration and for web-hosting (Ubuntu server is apparently pretty awesome for hosting).
But with the back-door thing, it's recently come to light that Skype apparently wrote a backdoor for their program. Sure, well even Windows has one. M$ admitted that. But it is for legal reasons and to allow the feds/authorities easy access to a system without having to worry about passwords or other security (for use in forensic computer warrants). Linux does not belong to any one person and all Linux programmers, you can ask any of them, have the security of the community at heart. You get the rogue programmer or two, but the rest will all tell you to go to hell if you even suggest some sort of backdoor.
nocilah
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i would be interested to see if this 'vulnerability' actually exists and if someone has successfully pulled it off.
i'm still happy with Vista, but then i use it more for gaming then anything.
if M$ were wise they would release DX10 for XP.
i'm still happy with Vista, but then i use it more for gaming then anything.
if M$ were wise they would release DX10 for XP.
Yeah but you know they won't release DX10 for XP. They want to be able to force users to migrate to Vista.
The vulnerability has been pulled off. How else do you think it was made known. Surely not by some M$ coder that said, "Hey, look! There's a gap in our coding!!!"
The vulnerability has been pulled off. How else do you think it was made known. Surely not by some M$ coder that said, "Hey, look! There's a gap in our coding!!!"
Arthur
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Interesting development.
Though I haven't had a look at the details, just a word of caution against gloating too soon ... it might well turn out that other OSs touted as alternatives are just as or even more vulnerable using similar techniques.
In the regular Black Hat 2008 Hackathon, Mac OSX was hacked on the first day. As the Kaminsky DNS exploit fiasco showed, Apple is still a security lightweight.
Though I haven't had a look at the details, just a word of caution against gloating too soon ... it might well turn out that other OSs touted as alternatives are just as or even more vulnerable using similar techniques.
In the regular Black Hat 2008 Hackathon, Mac OSX was hacked on the first day. As the Kaminsky DNS exploit fiasco showed, Apple is still a security lightweight.
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Asha'man X
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This will never happen. The Alky project tried to do this and they failed. The whole DirectX component, not just Direct3D, has been totally reworked to use many new features and things that are only available in Vista. To try and release v10 for XP, they would need to totally rewrite the kernel and other low level parts, which in effect they already did with Vista. They won't do anything like that for XP.
I'm no security guru, but I've seen many big announcements over the years that some or another person has discovered such a huge flaw, but is it ever really made use of apart from a few specialist cases? Most threats are still going to stick to the easier tried and tested methods of malware and spam, and as long as people still fall for that, the criminals don't need to invest the time and effort to make use of this new attack technique.
d0b33
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Exactly...
DX10+XP = Vista
For example directsound does not work anymore at a hardware level in DX10, XP has to ditch directsound for DX10 and that would mean driver incompatibility for XP users, basically the Vista nightmare all over again.
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