Vodacom goes first tier

Vodacom currently purchases international bandwidth through the likes of SAIX and Internet Solutions, something which is holding the company back when developing and delivering services to corporate clients.
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Does it not effect consumers as well?
 
Should provide Telkom with some competition, hopefully Vodafone'll buy out Telkom's 50% soon.
 
more talk. Everybody keeps going on about international bandwidth, but isn't anyone talking about how much it costs to host in South Africa? Why aren't solutions being found on this front?
 
Good news! Vodacom did drop a hint that they were considering this at the MyBroadband Conference last year.
 
aadil said:
more talk. Everybody keeps going on about international bandwidth, but isn't anyone talking about how much it costs to host in South Africa? Why aren't solutions being found on this front?
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One company that doesn't just talk, but actually delivers in my view, is Vodacom. When they say they're going to do something, they do it. International Bandwidth is the main concern for most people in SA at the moment, as the average Joe doesn't need to host anything, especially locally. I'd choose lower international prices over lower local hosting costs any day.
 
Lydon said:
One company that doesn't just talk, but actually delivers in my view, is Vodacom. When they say they're going to do something, they do it. International Bandwidth is the main concern for most people in SA at the moment, as the average Joe doesn't need to host anything, especially locally. I'd choose lower international prices over lower local hosting costs any day.
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It seems most people don't get it. International bandwidth is a precious resource. At the moment, we only have SAT3 or satellite bandwidth. If we hosted all our local content locally, that would save international bandwidth.

Think of it this way, what if you could use your extra 10 gigs of local bandwidth on downlaoding something worthwhile? Most people don't have any need for local only bandwidth - because there's nothing worthwhile hosted locally
 
until something happens it's all talk
 
Unfortunately talk is cheap until data is cheap...
Uys said that Vodacom is also working closely with all new international submarine cable projects like EASSY, SEACOM and InfraCo to secure future bandwidth for the company.
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I didn't know InfraCo was a cable.
Futhermore Vodacom is progressing well with their 802.16e (mobile WiMax) network rollout. The WiMax offering will be designed an ADSL replacement service and also to serve the bandwidth needs of corporate clients.
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If Vodacom was really serious about their WiMax offering this forum would have been the perfect opportunity to get hundreds of testers on board like MWeb.

aadil said:
It seems most people don't get it. International bandwidth is a precious resource. At the moment, we only have SAT3 or satellite bandwidth. If we hosted all our local content locally, that would save international bandwidth.

Think of it this way, what if you could use your extra 10 gigs of local bandwidth on downlaoding something worthwhile? Most people don't have any need for local only bandwidth - because there's nothing worthwhile hosted locally
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It's not as simple as that. Because local bandwidth is so expensive when hosting locally a lot of people are taking their business elsewhere. This means that for the average joe international bandwidth is what is most important. And while the focus shifts on international bandwidth even more will go international. Local hosting companies will have to drop their prices to international levels to recapture that income and if international bandwidth scarcity is really what it is made to be they will find a way to do it.
 
InfraCo are going to be laying to submarine cables Prom.

Maybe they haven't decided to go to a public test yet on their WiMax network. We have V3G, he will push for something like that because he knows how much it will benefit the end product.

Local Hosting companies cannot reduce their pricing to international levels without losing BUCKET loads of money. Last figure I had was 20c a megabyte for traffic locally (and thats wholesale pricing) so you're looking at R200 per gig, before covering any of the costs of the systems used for the hosting. There is no way a local hosting company can stay in business and match the pricing of international companies if those are the costs for bandwidth.
 
"Futhermore Vodacom is progressing well with their 802.16e (mobile WiMax) network rollout." Biased journalism. Wonder who wrote it ...
 
Why exactly is that biased journalism?

Maybe the reporter is privy to information that he can't openly share with us regarding how far along the network rollout is?
 
ToxicBunny said:
InfraCo are going to be laying to submarine cables Prom.
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Last I heard EASSy still has to get the planning off the ground and SEACOM is largely a Neotel initiative from our side.
Maybe they haven't decided to go to a public test yet on their WiMax network. We have V3G, he will push for something like that because he knows how much it will benefit the end product.
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April is 2 months away. When will they decide to do a public test? Just before the launch? MWeb has been doing trials for over 6 months now. Remember this is Vodacom we're talking about, it took them 2 years to get prepaid data bundles to the market.
Local Hosting companies cannot reduce their pricing to international levels without losing BUCKET loads of money. Last figure I had was 20c a megabyte for traffic locally (and thats wholesale pricing) so you're looking at R200 per gig, before covering any of the costs of the systems used for the hosting. There is no way a local hosting company can stay in business and match the pricing of international companies if those are the costs for bandwidth.
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Unfortunately for them then that in the business world money talks. If they can't or won't, doesn't really matter, drop prices to international levels they just have to be content with losing out. Wholesale pricing for local is under R10 a gig. There might still be hosting companies charging 20c/MB for traffic but that is not a wholesale figure.
 
Prometheus said:
Unfortunately for them then that in the business world money talks. If they can't or won't, doesn't really matter, drop prices to international levels they just have to be content with losing out. Wholesale pricing for local is under R10 a gig. There might still be hosting companies charging 20c/MB for traffic but that is not a wholesale figure.
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The reason given for the high local hosting cost is the backend local links from Telkom. I read somewhere that it costs R 150 000 for a "link" from joburg to cape town, while the same link for joburg to london costs R155 000.

I don't think you can place blame purely on the hosting providers, but I would like more emphasis placed on this issue.
 
aadil said:
The reason given for the high local hosting cost is the backend local links from Telkom. I read somewhere that it costs R 150 000 for a "link" from joburg to cape town, while the same link for joburg to london costs R155 000.

I don't think you can place blame purely on the hosting providers, but I would like more emphasis placed on this issue.
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It's not about placing blame. Everyone has the choice to host locally or internationally. The more is hosted internationally the more demand there will be for better international pricing. This can only have a positive influence and local bandwidth pricing means nothing to me in any case.

The better international pricing is the less people will care about hosting locally. Local hosting companies are in competition with the rest of the world and have to reduce prices to get business.
 
Actually unfortunately for your deluded little world Prom, some companies have NO choice but to host locally, such as the banks, and some companies choose to host locally so that their clients can always access the sites.

Yes, local hosting companies are in competition with international companies, BUT they do have a market that the international companies don't get to touch.

I challenge you to start a local hosting company and beat everyone elses prices.
 
wait WHAT?

if all the submarine cables fail they will go it alone? and lay cables to where? our neighboring states that also hook up to the same damn cable as us anyway? or does vodacom seriously expect us to believe they will drop their very own submarine cable all the way to US / Asia / Europe???

i call BS!
 
Why would it be so unthinkable for a company with billions of rands, and the vision to see that Data is the way forward for the company to spend a few hundred million dollars on a decent international submarine cable?
 
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