Vote in Mandela's memory - Zuma

demiurge said:
Well considering that vodacom and mtn only started operating in 1994 after the first free elections, I'm not sure what good it did you lol
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Sure, use was limited, but I had a Philips at the time - horrible thing that you dialled on one side and spoke into on the other - I was able to talk to my folks on the coast and I was in Joburg,so there was coverage.
 
demiurge said:
Well considering that vodacom and mtn only started operating in 1994 after the first free elections, I'm not sure what good it did you lol
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there was a car phone service running in 1993, pagers worked almost across the country and the various Provincial Administrations were involved in working on roll out in 1994 of GSM cellphones to certain staff in December 1993 - we had giant TPA branded Motorolla 5 watt phones charging at our house before the elections.

O and the Internet was very much alive and well before the end of apartheid packets were being switched and web browsing on Mosaic happened although as I recall Beltel and various BB services was the order of the day and that "commercial" dial up for connecting to a global Internet started to gain steam in 1996.
 
Well whatever anyone says, I personally am much happier living in a free South Africa, despite the many problems we face than I ever was under the authoritarian state I lived in under apartheid.
 
demiurge said:
Well whatever anyone says, I personally am much happier living in a free South Africa, despite the many problems we face than I ever was under the authoritarian state I lived in under apartheid.
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Bully for you!

I am sure that we are all very happy for you. :D
 
And Marikana, and the cops shooting at the SANDF, the SANDF shooting at the cops, township tiots, the SANDF doing dirty work in Africa for the ANC, etc etc...
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30% pass rate etc....

yup, SA is in a much better place now.
 
daveza said:
yup, SA is in a much better place now.
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It's all relative. Based on your environment you might have higher expectations & standards.

For someone wallowing in the mud things might seem to have improved a bit but overall I reckon things are just being dragged down to a lower standard.

Pretty soon we will all be equal, equally fscked that is and then we will all wallow in the mud :D
 
It's better in many perspectives, but so what? The apartheid government isn't coming back from the grave. We can only do something about the government in power now. And they're failing miserably.
 
daveza said:
30% pass rate etc....

yup, SA is in a much better place now.
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Well yes, I am allowed to eat in the same restaurant as white people, I'm not treated like an animal... the way my parents were treated.

When my dad took my mom out when they were young, he was treated like a kid and humiliated in front of my mom on numerous occassions because my mom was light skinned while he was darker.

So, just because things haven't changed for you, don't think for a single second that life was hunky dory for non-white South Africans.

I hate the corruption we have to deal with now and I hate the fact that someone like Zuma is destroying the hard work of so many before him but if you were to give me a choice between being treated like a dog and having a 100% pass rate and service delivery etc. or losing the aforementioned and having real human rights, I will choose the latter in a heartbeat.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
It's better in many perspectives, but so what? The apartheid government isn't coming back from the grave. We can only do something about the government in power now. And they're failing miserably.
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The people are failing themselves, the majority support this government and vote for them. So the majority kinda deserve the government they get. For the rest of the people it's just tough luck and this is one of the negatives of democracy.
 
Cloudster said:
Well yes, I am allowed to eat in the same restaurant as white people, I'm not treated like an animal... the way my parents were treated.

When my dad took my mom out when they were young, he was treated like a kid and humiliated in front of my mom on numerous occassions because my mom was light skinned while he was darker.

So, just because things haven't changed for you, don't think for a single second that life was hunky dory for non-white South Africans.

I hate the corruption we have to deal with now and I hate the fact that someone like Zuma is destroying the hard work of so many before him but if you were to give me a choice between being treated like a dog and having a 100% pass rate and service delivery etc. or losing the aforementioned and having real human rights, I will choose the latter in a heartbeat.
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Thank you.. some real world examples without the frothing at the mouth response we saw earlier.

I doubt any one of us would deny that things are better all around for the majority of people in this country, but there are very worrying signs that things are going to get much much worse unless we as a population stand up and do something about it.
 
Cloudster said:
I hate the corruption we have to deal with now and I hate the fact that someone like Zuma is destroying the hard work of so many before him but if you were to give me a choice between being treated like a dog and having a 100% pass rate and service delivery etc. or losing the aforementioned and having real human rights, I will choose the latter in a heartbeat.
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Sadly humans rights are not going to feed you when the economy is destroyed and we are all starving. Also don't for a second think those rights cannot be taken away, they are just words on a piece of paper and we've seen how useless they become when governments don't want to relinquish power. Noble but useless.
 
ponder said:
It's all relative. Based on your environment you might have higher expectations & standards.

For someone wallowing in the mud things might seem to have improved a bit but overall I reckon things are just being dragged down to a lower standard.

Pretty soon we will all be equal, equally fscked that is and then we will all wallow in the mud :D
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Rural stays rural at this stage, near every country have rural settlements. When we look at the shanty towns… many developments happening are people erecting new shacks with materials “discovered” elsewhere… the locals simply “burrow” to upgrade. Then you have prominent capable people emerging here, with little government mechanisms at their disposal like education.

I have heard about stories how the people would stack City to City busses with materials to put up home in a new province, Western Cape Peninsula being the prime spot nowadays.

Racial integration is happening, primarily white areas are today quite diverse with all races involved, and class however will always be a problem on all sides. I can only be opinionated on the Capetonian side, other places I don’t really know.

You are however correct.
 
So, just because things haven't changed for you, don't think for a single second that life was hunky dory for non-white South Africans.
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I lived through most of apartheid so am well aware of the issues. So yes, human rights are a big win, and not just for blacks.

But as pointed out, you can't feed yourself human rights.
 
daveza said:
I lived through most of apartheid so am well aware of the issues. So yes, human rights are a big win, and not just for blacks.

But as pointed out, you can't feed yourself human rights.
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I agree with you dave, perhaps my response was a bit emotional and unmeasured. It does annoy me though when people say stuff like "the country and non-white people were better off under the old government" etc.

We do have a problem in SA right now and I believe we both agree that the current corruption and outright theft must come to an end.

I'm an opposition voter by the way, when I say that I mean that I don't believe in any politician or political party as none have given me reason to do so. So, if say for example the DA were to be the ruling party and they had more than 50% of the vote, I'd vote for the next strongest party simply because I believe that a spread of power and representation of as many different parties is the best way to go.

Too much power, especially in Africa is a very dangerous thing... as can be seen with Zuma and his R200m palace, the proposed secrecy bill and the ridiculous amount of money missing from government departments.
 
Cloudster said:
I agree with you dave, perhaps my response was a bit emotional and unmeasured. It does annoy me though when people say stuff like "the country and non-white people were better off under the old government" etc.

We do have a problem in SA right now and I believe we both agree that the current corruption and outright theft must come to an end.

I'm an opposition voter by the way, when I say that I mean that I don't believe in any politician or political party as none have given me reason to do so. So, if say for example the DA were to be the ruling party and they had more than 50% of the vote, I'd vote for the next strongest party simply because I believe that a spread of power and representation of as many different parties is the best way to go.

Too much power, especially in Africa is a very dangerous thing... as can be seen with Zuma and his R200m palace, the proposed secrecy bill and the ridiculous amount of money missing from government departments.
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That's more like it, I am starting to like you already. The poison is not the people but the ANC leadership and their followers wanting to retain power at all cost's. We saw where that landed Zim.
 
Geeeve me T shirt i demand sandwich then i vote for Zuma.
 
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