WA response to pricing reductions

wamatt

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Hi All

As promised I would like to address some issues bought up by last Monday's pricing release from Web Africa. Firstly context: the point of this is to address legitimate concerns and to counter some misconceptions that have cropped up in the past week and a half. I will attempt to be as fair, accurate and honest as possible. It may not be what some people want to hear, or care about; that is fine, but I think for some, there is interest. So I would ask you to be respectful of others, myself included.

I will start with generic background information and then get on to the specifics and details further down.

“Your pricing backfired completely you are out of touch”

That is not accurate. The response was heated and massive, and in many cases bitter and angry, because of the pent up demand and expectations. The reality is, no matter what pricing we came out with, people were going to be disappointed, but we certainly know exactly what users want.

Our biggest fault was twofold though:

1) Not downplaying the hype that had built up and allowing it to continue to build.

Because of the aggressive pricing we've been releasing, e.g. in hosting and innovations like our freezone, people's expectations of us ran high. However in our defence, we never said we were going to release pricing to beat everything in the market, across all the adsl product ranges, at the lowest cost per GB. But this is what people were hoping for, we would even goes as far as saying ‘expecting’.

2) Releasing mainstream pricing to the power users (mybb) and not making this clear

On the charge that we are out of touch, this is not true at all. We are very, very aware that the main needs of this community, is bandwidth. “I want lots of it, and give it to me CHEAP” This is the mantra. We have always known that.

Now here is where things diverge. WA is becoming mainstream, this is where we are going. This is not a BAD thing. It is good for you, and for us, in the long term. While the markets adjust to the bandwidth explosion (and behind the scenes it really is happening, we are laying fibre as we speak, working on better deals etc). What is attractive to the mainstream, is never going to work for the power users.

Does Telkom or Mweb care at about myBB? No. People will carry on buying from them, and the opinions on this board, have little effect in terms of market share. Most people enjoy stability and go with a known provider. The point of this is to merely reinforce the reality that there is a mainstream.

On the stability issue the landscape is littered with those maverick ISP's that come and go. AYCE (all you can eat) - remember them? Look at how they were being touted as "liberators" on myBB in 2005 before closing their doors 2 or 3 years later. Just dig up the forum posts from around then. Or the Non Profit ISP who decided to put an end to the "big evil ISP's profiteering" etc. Many got caught up in the hype, but the reality turned out to be more sobering.

You can deny that such market segmentation exists between mainstream users and mybb, but you would be denying the reality and facts. If necessary, I will go into more detail if I have to.

Q: Why is there such a huge response?

People were expecting something revolutionary. Instead, we provided a platform for evolution. Quite simply, we are innovating, its just not all in one go and you can have things cheap, on time, or good quality. Pick two of those. We learned our lesson last year when we rushed out our billing and suspension upgrades (in around mid 2009 to stop us hemorrhaging costs from bad payers,fraudsters and abusers who had taken advantage of our informal and relaxed collections process) and many good and loyal customers got caught in the crossfire unfortunately. We eventually got it right and the systems are working much better now, people pay on time and have gotten used to it, and we get to stay in business, but we not going to rush anything anymore at the expense of customer operations. Stability and reliability cannot be sacrificed to in order innovate faster.

Afrihost can do R29/gb, why can't you match them?

For mainstream: The question is can they match us? Where are the complete offerings? This is what is going to count in future.

For power users: Afrihost have stated themselves it is a limited offer (according to Giaan the CEO, in numerous posts and on their own website). It is not sustainable. Even if they get it for cost, less 10%, you can't run an ISP on that GP. It doesn't exist anywhere in the world. These are the facts. Forum members are welcome to say "we dont care - blah blah". Fine and we hope you pick up some of our future specials at better rates.

Thus, let’s compare specials. We are doing 30GB for R199; so that's R6.66 per GB, which is more competitive by far. Now a fair criticism is that it’s far too exclusive (100 people). Look, it’s a significant amount of revenue we are simply giving away. But overall I agree with the assesment that we need to do more, we will. We are going to announce something "imminently" in that regard. Which will be in line with the expectations of the myBB community.

"But they took the marketing budget to make it work. Its ingenious"

Those in the industry know that that statement is a nice story, but one would have to be very naive to believe it. Simply not true when one does the calculations

Q: Why haven't you dropped pricing?

The fact is we are dropping prices and leading the way with the larger ISP's. We have across all our products seen an average decrease of 20% price drop. Our Complete range is now the most competitive around overall.

Look at the annual costs one might pay for a broadband connection. Even though the its apples vs oranges I still included a Telkom + 29gb combo for comparison sake though don't let that distract as anyone on 29GB packages generally are not the market for a Complete solution anyway.

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R1 drop in prepaid. It's insulting!

The R69 price change was merely cosmetic and its not a price drop at all. The focus has moved. Prepaid is a model that only works in a data scarce environment. ISP's that cling to that, will not be around for long. The trouble with prepaid is the overselling potential is zero. We want to deprecate "prepaid only" accounts altogether down the line. Thus we focused on making our Complete range attractive. We envisioning 10GB to be the entry level not 1GB and then 20gb 30gb 50gb 100gb etc down the line for the Complete series.

You are buying support with specials

Absolutely. We are supporting you. Is this somehow meant to be a bad thing? We could have made a choice saying, forget myBB, they not worth it. But we didn't and we won't. We've spent weeks deliberating of some way to make it work so that we could continue to grow and still support myBB. And yes, goodwill is generated, just like with other R29/gb specials at the moment. Ours is better, but just more exclusive. However as I mentioned above, we need to do more and we something in the works already which will be in line with expectations of myBB.

Objective metrics
Let’s look at the numbers now. Customer signups are at biggest month in 5 months. Cancellation levels are within normal range. If we track support and promotion metrics; and overall our customers love us. Our most recent survey has 90% positive approval across our base. Obviously pricing is still the biggest gripe and we think our complete range addresses this very nicely for the mainstream market. Why do we do this? To make sure we kept sane.

Customers are really happy and thankful for upgrades. This is the feedback from sales. We are being proactive; and upgrading them to higher packages, at no additional cost, or cheaper. Who else is doing this?
 
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Q: Where is the uncapped you promised?

Good question. It's on the cards, but yes, it’s going to take longer than we anticipated to get it out the door if its going to be a decent quality product. It will be aimed at competing with I.S's offerings and offer good value for the SME market. Unlimited internet for downloading 100's of GB for R500 a month is not going to be a reality for the foreseeable future. Anyone promising that or setting that expectation is misleading you.

Please look here for more details:
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/ADSL/9500.html



Q: Why do cost per GB go up on Complete?

They do a bit, but it’s rather minor.

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Except for the 1GB loss leader which is R17p/gb, the others are in the R30-R40Gb range.

But yes it's a a good point. We priced our complete range around sensible pricing points that are palatable to consumers. The reason for this is simple. Let’s look at say the ‘DO Broadband' packages as an example, the gaps are too large between pricing brackets and do not flow nicely for families and people doing budgeting etc. While it may not be the most exciting innovation we have a sensible range of price points, so you can choose what you can afford. Once you slot into a Complete package, we will continue to upgrade the package automatically. I fully expect the industry to follow us in this regard. Please bookmark this and look what things look like in 3 years from now. You are welcome to do so and quote me on it.

We are very much in tune with the needs of the SA market and the myBB community. The reality is, they want different things and we are going to do our utmost to please them both. For the mainstream we will give them

Good value
Excellent performance
Reliability
Speed
Good service

And for the power users we'll give them cheap bandwidth, and lots of it.

I hope that this addresses some of the concern and that my time spent here is not completely for nothing. I do apologise for things I might have skipped.

Warm regards
Matthew
Web Africa, CEO
 
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I would say Cybersmart are very similar to you. They are not the cheapest around, so they are able to make a fair profit, but the key difference is they have built some niche add-ons which cater for high bandwidth users. I would like Webafrica to do the same.

At the moment you offer nothing competitive for users wanting more than a few gigs.

On a side note, i appreciate you taking the time to respond, it helps a lot.
 
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decent response :)

good to know you guys have taken note of what was said, and will keep it in mind in the future
 
Hi Matthew

Thank you for taking the time to clarify the situation, it is appreciated.

I am satisfied that the (WA) MyBB access offering is indeed a superior offering, when compared to the Afrihost IS offering.

Regards

Michael
 
Imminent!!!!!! The name which we do not speak!
 
Hi Matthew

Thank you for taking the time to clarify the situation, it is appreciated.

I am satisfied that the (WA) MyBB access offering is indeed a superior offering, when compared to the Afrihost IS offering.

Regards

Michael

Yes it is superior but was only made available for 100 people ! doesnt help the rest of us!
 
Afrihost can do R29/gb, why can't you match them?

For mainstream: The question is can they match us?
The other question is do they want to?

Sorry guys just had to! :D
 
I personally do appreciate the response here. I clears up a lot of misconceptions that people are having. I think you guys (WA) are doing a great job and certainly doing your part to forward the broadband evolution in South Africa. We are still behind in terms of world wide standards, but it's coming along. Keep it up, I am switching over to WA on the 1st for my 30GB special. I am sure I will be very content with the service, and I personally appreciate that the CEO has time to look at what the MyBB members are saying - I don't see that for other ISP's.
 
Yes it is superior but was only made available for 100 people ! doesnt help the rest of us!

Well, l will be more than comfortable to purchase bandwidth from WA (although more expensive than Afrihost) - you don't experience any regular service interruptions, pings are low and download and browsing speeds are consistently higher than any other offering I have used.

In the end is it not a case of, you get what you pay for?

You might want to try...

Regards

Michael

I neglected the support issue: When calling WA regarding an issue they do attend to it, unlike Afrihost that tries to fob you off or passes the buck to IS – and as you are not an IS client you are stuck should you wish to have the matter resolved.

Not so sure if cheaper is better, maybe a combination of both is the answer. A cheap offering to do your downloads with and a superior offering to browse, send emails and do other work related task with like RDC’s, etc.

I would be rather uncomfortable if all ISP’s suddenly wanted to fulfill the same role as Afrihost.
 
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Thank you for the response Webafrica.

I have been with you guys for about 3 years now, and it was all good :)

Been using mainly prepaid, but have been buying between 3 and 5 gigs each month depending on how my usage is for that month, and i liked that flexibility.

While I'm disappointed from a personal point of view that you guys are going to be phasing out the prepaid and admit to it not being an important part for you, you guys see it as necessary to move forward as a company...so be it :)

I have decided to move away from WA as you no longer cater to what I need...it happens and is not a good or bad thing...its just simply how the cookie crumbles.

I wish you guys luck in the future.
 
thanks for the response.

...i detect the dark side at work here
Thus, let’s compare specials. We are doing 30GB for R199; so that's R6.66 per GB,
 
in the near term it would be great to see an uncapped product that comes in at under R1000 all in. obviously one would want to see that fall with time.
 
wamatt focused on Afrihost being able to provide at R29 per 1Gig
What about the other benchmark that we have in the market R49 per 1Gig? WA is still sitting at R69 :( is this because they dislike the prepaid model as he hinted on? To me that sounds a bit like an excuse? Almost like they dont need the prepaid market? I donno i just get that feeling?
 
Well i purchase 37 Gigs on Unshapped prepaid bandwidth per month

One thing I can promise if you take away prepaid you loose me as a customer and thats a fact.

I like the idea of prepaid never expiring and thats what I want if you can change your non prepaid contracts so that the bandwidth never expires then I will consider staying

I am really against purchasing bandwidth and if you don't use it that month you loose it
 
Thank you Matt for the detailed response.

"R1 drop in prepaid. It's insulting!

The R69 price change was merely cosmetic and its not a price drop at all. The focus has moved. Prepaid is a model that only works in a data scarce environment. ISP's that cling to that, will not be around for long. The trouble with prepaid is the overselling potential is zero. We want to deprecate "prepaid only" accounts altogether down the line. Thus we focused on making our Complete range attractive. We envisioning 10GB to be the entry level not 1GB and then 20gb 30gb 50gb 100gb etc down the line for the Complete series."

We are in a "data scarce" environment by dint of data caps, geography and law. But whatever, there seem to be no end of "mainstream" users quite willing to fork out good money for data that they probably will not use in the calendar month thus allowing you to oversell. I bet mainstream ISPs love this aspect as it allows them to leverage ever more splintered revenue streams; all the while paying lip service to de-regulation etc.
 
Matt, I would love to hear your opinion on what was raised in a different thread regarding your expenses on VAS systems (for gaming/freezone/steam) and you & your employees claim that your target market is now "mom & pop" operations. If your target market isn't mybb/gaming community anymore, why go through the motions and expenses to get the systems up and running?
 
Thanks for the comprehensive response Matthew.

I am personally in favour of as many different offerings as possible – aimed at the full market spectrum and not only high end users. If a company wants to launch a more expensive offering with all kinds of benefits, let them do it. If someone wants to launch below-cost ADSL data – also great (I personally like these services, but maybe someone else prefer an all-in-one account with parental control etc). As long as the market is competitive, it will weed out to good providers from the bad ones.

As for great-value offerings to MyBroadband members, I think it is great! We have already had some other companies contact is with similar ideas (below cost products for MyBroadband), and if you don’t like these special MyBroadband offers you may want to stay away during March ;)
 
We have already had some other companies contact is with similar ideas (below cost products for MyBroadband), and if you don’t like these special MyBroadband offers you may want to stay away during March ;)

Can't wait. :)
 
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