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[gabbadude]

Very Opinionated

Karnaugh,

I have been following this forum for a while now and I must say that it seems that you are EXTREMELY opinionated. It's not a problem to have an opinion but you need to know where to draw the line.

Dude, come on, UUNet allowed the resellers to offer their UNCAPPED adsl to home users. HOW can they possibly expect this group of users to NOT make use of BT???

It is EXTREMELY naive of anyone who thinks that we won't use it!! I mean damn......

What were they expecting? IT'S UNCAPPED!!!!! Who the hell is going to buy into a service that is unlimited and only surf the net and download mails and do a little bit of gaming now and again!

You and a seriously small minority are standing by UUNet. You might not make use of BT but there is a HUGE majority that do. Some use it legally and others, well,.....that's their business. But at the end of the day, it is a service that UUNet offered and didn't do anything to stop the resellers from selling it to the home users who are paying CRAZY prices to have it. Come on, just TRY and see it from the consumers eyes that are actually using the BT as a means for their legit service!

Now, I don't know what you would use the uncapped service for but lets just say for a minute that they said that the areas of use that you are involved in were just, well honestly, REMOVED after paying such a high price for the service. I wonder what you would say then!

Put yourself in other people's position before you find yourself being in a happy place having everything that YOU need. You might be a consumer that uses it for something and another consumer uses it for something completely different.

Try reversing your role for a minute and stop sounding so self-rightous!

I apologise if I have insulted you. I'm sure you are an intelligent person and I am not questioning that. I think you just need to have more of an open mind.

-gabbadude

 

[bwana]

Like what? Debian doesnt, Ubuntu has plenty of FTP/HTTP mirrors, FreeBSD doesnt advocate Bittorent in the slightest, and if you're using anything else you're wasting your time anyway.

Interesting - you'd better tell that to FreeBSD - as it states here "As with the 5.3 release we are experimenting with Bittorrent. A collection of trackers for the release ISO images is available at . . ." or here.

I think thats sufficient proof of them advocating Bit Torrrents. But I'm sure you know best.

But wait there's more. . . . . at the Debian's site , there is a whole section on "Downloading Debian CD images with BitTorrent" Where they clearly say - "It puts minimal load on our servers .......spreading the load across the network and making blazing fast downloads possible."

They must be mistaken too.

This might come as a shock so brace your self, get a normal DSL account like a normal person,

And that would make a dial-up user - such as yourself - abnormal. Well put.

 

[Celemasiko]

If you're implying that my use of Gentoo has been a waste of my time for the past 3 years, I'm gonna smack your head so that your brain is indeed switched on, you silly na-na...

*rofl*

btw. what I mentioned earlier...every restriction will get its answer. BT2 is on its way...*ggg* And workarounds to the present shaping??? YES there are...*gg*

Anybody heard about RODI?

 

[Clipse]

Like what? Debian doesnt, Ubuntu has plenty of FTP/HTTP mirrors, FreeBSD doesnt advocate Bittorent in the slightest, and if you're using anything else you're wasting your time anyway.

Karnaugh - You seem to be just full of ****, look what im getting from BT right now? FreeBSD 5.4

Here is the link for you :: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.4R/announce.html

or more directly go here :: http://people.freebsd.org/~kensmith/5.4-torrent/

Hope this keeps you quiet for a few minutes.

 

[bwana]

Karnaugh - thankfully your opinions mean little to me or I'd have to go back and check what other false claims you had made to bolster a weak argument.

 

[Karnaugh]

I do believe the comment I responded to was

many of the linux distro'z are moving to bittorrent atm, some ONLY available via bittorrent.

Adding to that - you download linux distros all day every day, month on end? I doubt it.

Karnaugh - You seem to be just full of ****

"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I reasoned as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things." ‑ 1 Corinthians 13:11

Put yourself in other people's position before you find yourself being in a happy place having everything that YOU need. You might be a consumer that uses it for something and another consumer uses it for something completely different.

No, put your self in UUNet's position, and realise that you are being unreasonable to expect what you want. If it is infact not a service that caters for you (which it probably never was) - dont use it; but dont point blame at an ISP that is simply protecting their infrastructure.

And yes - Gentoo is a waste of time.

 

[killadoob]

karnaugh dont blame isp?

are you mad of course blame them how can offer uncapped and then complain about bitt and p2p

its simple dont offer uncapped if you cant handle it its not rocket science its common sense

 

[killadoob]

so they are offering uncapped right who are they catering for?

email and web pages browers? why would they want uncapped

do you work for UUNET?

 

[Karnaugh]

email and web pages browers? why would they want uncapped

VPN's, high volumes of email, offsite backups. (None of which would cause nearly as much excess bandwidth as a gamer kid with bittorrent).

do you work for UUNET?

No.

 

[bwana]

What you said was -

Like what? Debian doesnt, Ubuntu has plenty of FTP/HTTP mirrors, FreeBSD doesnt advocate Bittorent in the slightest, and if you're using anything else you're wasting your time anyway.

Its of no consequence what you were responding you - your statement was inaccurate.

"Somewhere in Texas there's a village thats missing its idiot" Texan bumper sticker.

 

[Tinuva]

btw. what I mentioned earlier...every restriction will get its answer. BT2 is on its way...*ggg* And workarounds to the present shaping??? YES there are...*gg*

Ahahaha little do you know...

They added tags to the packets in the new BT, to make shaping on it possible, and easier than ever before... Go read a little more on the technical details before you just say bt2 will fix your little problem with uunet

 

[gabbadude]

"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I reasoned as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things." ‑ 1 Corinthians 13:11

Clearly you are still a child because only a child would get offended by that statement!

No, put your self in UUNet's position, and realise that you are being unreasonable to expect what you want. If it is infact not a service that caters for you (which it probably never was) - dont use it; but dont point blame at an ISP that is simply protecting their infrastructure.

Like I said, be more open-minded please!!! Clearly you haven't dealt that much in business before...

Q. What is your definition of "Customer Satisfaction"???
A. For the Customer to satisfy the Provider.
B. For the Provider to satisfy the Customer.

Trust me Karnaugh, You might know alot about the technical in's and out's of Telecommunications and the like but I know a few things about customer satisfaction. I run my own business and I would NEVER provide something to my customers that I couldn't accomodate! And furthermore.... I wouldn't offer service to those that I suspect will abuse it! I would ensure that I have more control over the service or at least do more research into the matter BEFORE allowing it to go LIVE.

Please answer this question:
Why did they allow the resellers to sell it to home users if it was exclusively a business package?

If it was me, there are a number of ways to ensure that it is a business user that is requesting the service. You can request details of their company and if they come along later and complain that they can't perform their BT dowloads, then they would be able to have a leg to stand on.

Protecting their Infrastructure????
Their infrastructure was NEVER up to the job in the first place and we users are proof of that!

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

I would just like to make a few pointers here

1. I can;t believe that you'd download 10GB of Linux ISO's - you can do that near the end of the month on a normal 3GB - if you're not capped. So therefore if you're using 60+-GB, then it is most likely illegal.

2. Although it takes the load of their FTP servers, it increases the load for ISP's as you need to upload and download while on an FTP server it is one way only.

3. If UUNET release figures that the majority of users don't use BT but it is taking up the majority of their bandwidth then tough for BT users...

 

[mbs]

And yes - Gentoo is a waste of time.

I'd be interested in knowing exactly why you believe this to be the case - and don't attempt to provide reasons based purely on an emphasis of the features offered by the compilations you seem to prefer: either draw a direct feature comparison (remembering that Gentoo is a source-based compilation) of apples to apples, or provide crit/comment on a specific Gentoo feature that you have a problem with at a technical or paradigm level. We have enough obfuscation as it is. If you like, we can move this to another thread - start with your response there, if you prefer...

 

[gabbadude]

1. I can;t believe that you'd download 10GB of Linux ISO's - you can do that near the end of the month on a normal 3GB - if you're not capped. So therefore if you're using 60+-GB, then it is most likely illegal.

This is irrelevant. It is of noone else's business what people do with their connectivity. They offer a service that is supposed to handle a max of 64K at any one given time. It's not our problem that it's is concentrated on one protocol by most users. It is their problem. If we buy into a service that is capable of this then we should get what we pay for. I don't like to be controlled over which protocols I am allowed to use on my connection. I went with them purely because they were UNCAPPED. Which in my opion means that I can do virtually ANYTHING on my connection. If this one user makes full use of his/her 64K then so what. It's MINE TO USE! I supposedly paid for that service!!

3. If UUNET release figures that the majority of users don't use BT but it is taking up the majority of their bandwidth then tough for BT users...

Like many before me have said, They shouldn't have offered the service to home users then!! They should've done their projections in a more professional manner. It's pretty arrogant to say "then tough for BT users...". If they keep that attitude then they will definitely go nowhere......

 

[MFour]

No body tired of this thread yet (shields up) Or are you all just bored?

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

This is irrelevant. It is of noone else's business what people do with their connectivity. They offer a service that is supposed to handle a max of 64K at any one given time. It's not our problem that it's is concentrated on one protocol by most users. It is their problem. If we buy into a service that is capable of this then we should get what we pay for. I don't like to be controlled over which protocols I am allowed to use on my connection. I went with them purely because they were UNCAPPED. Which in my opion means that I can do virtually ANYTHING on my connection. If this one user makes full use of his/her 64K then so what. It's MINE TO USE! I supposedly paid for that service!!

1.Damn straight it is their problem and they have done something about it - imptoving the service for all other protocols except P2P/BT. It might not be the right one in your opinion but for UUNET, it is . Like it or lump it.

2. Uncapped = unlimited bandwidth. That is what they've been delivering. And actually you can't do what you want. Believe it or not! When you sign a contract you are bound by the T & C.

 

[killadoob]

i suppose its a money making scam in way get guys to sign up give them slow speeds then blame the bittorent users

 

[gabbadude]

i suppose its a money making scam in way get guys to sign up give them slow speeds then blame the bittorent users

I second that!!

1.Damn straight it is their problem and they have done something about it - imptoving the service for all other protocols except P2P/BT. It might not be the right one in your opinion but for UUNET, it is . Like it or lump it.

Dominic, I like the way you add in the "Except P2P/BT". I thought this was an unlimited, UNCAPPED service. Clearly it is limited!!!! What happened to the shaping. There is NONE. I havent gotten even get 1 byte since they "SHAPED" the protocol!! That's removing my friend NOT SHAPING! Trust me, I am LUMPING it. They misled me into believing it was a shaped service.

And actually you can't do what you want. Believe it or not!

Given, if I was involved in piracy, and as stated earlier in this thread I am innocent until proven guilty of illegal activities and FURTHERMORE,... I don't see ANYHWERE in this agreement where it states that I am NOT allowed to use the maximum download speed out of my P2P/BT download protocol when using this service. Regardles of whether it is Legal or Illegal! Check for yourself!!

And you STILL havent answered my question before about the Home Users!! Are you avoiding it or something?

 

[Angellus]

Well things are looking good for me! BT is running at very good speeds, anything from 20k-40k. This is on 384K adsl. Everthing is running great! Low pings and they are stable. Well done UUNet!!!! One problem though. Now that I have the low pings to SGS I can't play! Sorry for going a bit off topic. Their new anti cheat keeps on kicking me so I can't get onto the server! And no I don't cheat! So the only thing that remains a problem is eDonkey, I still get a LOWID and I amm not running the firewall on my router. Using ZoneAlarm. BT and pings great though.!!