Weight loss

I'm not following the ketogenic diet :D - I might be entering it unconciously now and again... I have lowered carbs extensively... but this thread isnt about ketosis- its about weight loss. Although ketosis may be a great way to lose weight - its not the ONLY way
 
Sinbad said:
OK well in all my time low carbing, which is a lot, I generally managed to achieve excellent weight loss, with ketosis, with about 75% of my calories coming from fat and about 20% from protein.
That's pretty much close to 2:1 in terms of weight... And the great thing is it doesn't REALLY matter. As long as you're eating whole foods (not supplements/meal replacements/crap like that) you will be just fine in terms of your intake.
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Well on a true ketosis diet you will need supplements. I've been doing a lot of reading on this and certain vitamins are diminished in the diet and the ability to absorb certain vitamins is also diminished. I don't usually recommend a multi-vitamin but in this case it might not hurt. A decent one though - not the Centrum synthesised crap.

Personally, I'm going all out. I prefer to measure by weight because it's just easier. I have an accurate scale so I just put each ingredient on it beforehand. Measuring calories can be such a schlep...
 
Korn1 said:
Just ate again and now my headache is gone :eek:
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What Does a Headache Caused By Hypoglycemia Feel Like?

Headaches from hypoglycemia are usually described as a dull, throbbing feeling in the temples. The pain can occur with other hypoglycemia symptoms, like blurry vision, increased heart rate, nervousness, fatigue, irritability, and confusion. Hypoglycemia can also trigger a migraine headache. In fact, some migraine sufferers report craving carbohydrates before the migraine hits, which may be the body’s way of regulating blood sugar and preventing the headache. Migraine headaches caused by hypoglycemia will usually not be accompanied by typical migraine symptoms like nausea, vomiting, and sensitivity to light and sound. Instead, the migraine is more likely to be accompanied by the hypoglycemia symptoms noted above.

If you low-carb properly, your blood sugar will regulate itself and food-related headaches will be a thing of the past.
I am a regular migraine sufferer. When I low carb, I do not get headaches. AT ALL.

Oh and DJ yeah I do take vitamin supplements. My preferred is Solgar V2000, but if I don't have any of those, the centrum 50+ works for me as well.
I meant protein supplements and things like that.
 
DJ... said:
Well on a true ketosis diet you will need supplements. I've been doing a lot of reading on this and certain vitamins are diminished in the diet and the ability to absorb certain vitamins is also diminished.
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DJ, do you know which vitamins? I was thinking about this today but haven't bothered to do any research. And I'm glad to see you called out centrum as crap :)
 
Sinbad said:
Incorrect.

The key to achieving ketosis is low carb intake. That is all. The rest does not matter.
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Low carb, high fat. You cannot simply cut out carbs and achieve ketosis. You'll achieve ketosis through lipolysis, but you will also reach a stage of atrophy. You need to maintain the input energy levels somehow. The only way to do this is from fat intake or straight sugar. Seeing as sugar is destructive to the insulin balance of the body, fat is recommended. So we can agree that achieving a healthy state of ketosis requires the consumption of fat?

Can we then agree that there will be a balance, or ratio, at which point optimum levels of ketosis are reached? If so, then we can agree that we should listen to the scientists who've consistently agreed on the 4:1 ratio. Achieving ketosis is one thing. Ensuring you're in a healthy state of ketosis is another...
 
I am not sure if the headache was caused by that but my neck has been hurting due to the way I sleep :(
 
DJ... said:
Low carb, high fat. You cannot simply cut out carbs and achieve ketosis. You'll achieve ketosis through lipolysis, but you will also reach a stage of atrophy. You need to maintain the input energy levels somehow. The only way to do this is from fat intake or straight sugar. Seeing as sugar is destructive to the insulin balance of the body, fat is recommended. So we can agree that achieving a healthy state of ketosis requires the consumption of fat?

Can we then agree that there will be a balance, or ratio, at which point optimum levels of ketosis are reached? If so, then we can agree that we should listen to the scientists who've consistently agreed on the 4:1 ratio. Achieving ketosis is one thing. Ensuring you're in a healthy state of ketosis is another...
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Yes, you need to eat fat to be healthy. Goes without saying. But, you can't say that you need it to be in a state of ketosis.
The 4:1 ratio, imho, just overcomplicates things.
Eat when you're hungry, eat as much as you want of the "carb free" stuff, restrict your glycemic carb intake severely, ensure you take your vitamins and you will be fine.
 
Korn1 said:
I am not sure if the headache was caused by that but my neck has been hurting due to the way I sleep :(
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My carb headaches also involve neck spasms and pains... I used to blame pillows etc as well...
 
googoodoll said:
That's not a good thing then, is it?
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Not necessarily. Just get a full workup by your doctor once you start achieving ketosis to understand your potential deficiencies...

mister said:
DJ, do you know which vitamins? I was thinking about this today but haven't bothered to do any research. And I'm glad to see you called out centrum as crap :)
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B, mostly. But best to check with your doctor. Some people can have serious side-effects on a ketogenic diet, specifically relating to the vitamin deficiencies. It's also very dangerous to potentially overdose on the stuff, so the responsible person in me is not going to suggest supplements. It's based on an individual's profile...
 
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mister said:
True... You could always do a low fat diet and lose a hell of a lot of muscle!
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Did I say low fat? I eat what I feel like in moderation and concentrate on keeping protein levels fairly high due to weight lifting...

How about you post a pic of yourself so we can see YOUR great weight lifting results on a high fat diet :)
 
Sinbad said:
Yes, you need to eat fat to be healthy. Goes without saying. But, you can't say that you need it to be in a state of ketosis.
The 4:1 ratio, imho, just overcomplicates things.
Eat when you're hungry, eat as much as you want of the "carb free" stuff, restrict your glycemic carb intake severely, ensure you take your vitamins and you will be fine.
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Personally, the geek in me wants to achieve the 4:1 ratio as close to perfection as possible. I just see it as being the optimum way to achieving what I want...
 
DrewChan said:
Did I say low fat? I eat what I feel like in moderation and concentrate on keeping protein levels fairly high due to weight lifting...

How about you post a pic of yourself so we can see YOUR great weight lifting results on a high fat diet :)
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Well, all you're doing is a weight-diet based on protein. The moderation bit is common-sense for any healthy eating lifestyle.

Yours isn't much of a diet as it is a way to gain weight through muscle mass and reduce body-fat percentage. I'm guessing the majority of people here are not adopting that strategy, hence why the low-fat diet was a reasonable assumption on mister's part...
 
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