What a BOLT!!

Pitbull said:
Nope, an engine will only go as good as the fuel it's getting.

Same for the human body. It still the human running not the pill or the injection
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But the pills change the engine - they're not fuel. And then it becomes a war on the human body and the winner will be decided by who throws more money at the drugs, not the athletes...
 
DJK said:
But the pills change the engine - they're not fuel. And then it becomes a war on the human body and the winner will be decided by who throws more money at the drugs, not the athletes...
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How do we distinguish between a "food" or "fuel" and a "drug"?
 
Debbie said:
How do we distinguish between a "food" or "fuel" and a "drug"?
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Fine line, I will admit. But I stand by my second argument that it merely becomes a contest of money thrown at drug research, and no longer a human feat...
 
obviously, you need two classes of runners

"stock"

and

"top fuel" :-)
 
DJK said:
Fine line, I will admit. But I stand by my second argument that it merely becomes a contest of money thrown at drug research, and no longer a human feat...
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Great, fantastic if they want to throw more money at the area of athletic (and/or cognitive) enhancement!

The olympics is already largely a contest of "who has the most money" in any case, DJK.
 
Debbie said:
The olympics is already largely a contest of "who has the most money" in any case, DJK.
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Really? How come Jamaica is beating the US at all the sprints; Kenya and Ethiopia at all the middle distance events?

I'm not disagreeing that wealth can be a predictor of success in some sports, but in athletics (the One True Sport, and the one that started this thread) that's just not true.

Your previous post, where's the line between "food", "fuel" or "drug"? It's a fine line and ultimately depends on semantics. This is a drug / that is a food. The rules are pretty clear though, and that's good enough for me.

Ultimately we want a level playing field* where everybody is competing on the strength of their own physical/mental/etc attributes and training.

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*I hate this phrase :)
 
Debbie said:
Great, fantastic if they want to throw more money at the area of athletic (and/or cognitive) enhancement!

The olympics is already largely a contest of "who has the most money" in any case, DJK.
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But they arent throwing it at sport, it will be thrown at drug research. And poorer countries will be disadvantaged even more than they currently are. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime - seems a fitting saying...
 
chiskop said:
I'm not disagreeing that wealth can be a predictor of success in some sports, but in athletics (the One True Sport, and the one that started this thread) that's just not true.
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Huh? What did I do :confused:

LOL... just ignore me :D
 
chiskop said:
Really? How come Jamaica is beating the US at all the sprints; Kenya and Ethiopia at all the middle distance events?
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Congratulations chiskop, you've found a tiny slice of the olympics where what you say applies and blown it up to frame all of the olympics in that context. Sneaky, but not sneaky enough!

I'm not disagreeing that wealth can be a predictor of success in some sports, but in athletics (the One True Sport, and the one that started this thread) that's just not true.
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/hunnah hunnah hunnah...

Your previous post, where's the line between "food", "fuel" or "drug"? It's a fine line and ultimately depends on semantics. This is a drug / that is a food. The rules are pretty clear though, and that's good enough for me.
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What are the rules re doping? I have no idea... could you point me towards a policy document or layman's summary, please chiskop.

Ultimately we want a level playing field* where everybody is competing on the strength of their own physical/mental/etc attributes and training.
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"A [truly] level playing field" would eliminate any space for competition ;)

*I hate this phrase :)
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Yes, because it is a stupid phrase.
 
DJK said:
But they arent throwing it at sport, it will be thrown at drug research. And poorer countries will be disadvantaged even more than they currently are. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime - seems a fitting saying...
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"Poorer" countries wouldn't be at more of a disadvantage. I disagree with your premise that sport would become all about the doping.
 
Debbie said:
"A [truly] level playing field" would eliminate any space for competition ;)
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The only truly level playing field is one where nobody is doing drugs. Not the playing field determined by corporate drug research and corporate espionage in the name of a gold medal...
 
Debbie said:
"Poorer" countries wouldn't be at more of a disadvantage. I disagree with your premise that sport would become all about the doping.
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How would poorer countries NOT be at a disadvantage?

Clearly you missed the swimming debate. Certain events would most certainly be all about the doping in that case.

I reckon you just want to see buffer men in tighter lycra...:rolleyes:
 
Debbie said:
Congratulations chiskop, you've found a tiny slice of the olympics where what you say applies and blown it up to frame all of the olympics in that context. Sneaky, but not sneaky enough!
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It is the context of this thread, and athletics is a little more than a tiny slice of the olympics. But you'll have seen that I did say that that was not the case in all sports. I'd hate to see athletics turn out that way too.

Debbie said:
What are the rules re doping? I have no idea... could you point me towards a policy document or layman's summary, please chiskop.
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WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) is a good start, prohibited list here.
 
Debbie said:
Do you imagine performance-enhancing "drugs" produced by pharmaceutical corps would be subject nation-state control?
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No, I imagine like anything else they would cost money. Either way, the poorer country is at a disadvantage.
 
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