What is midnight?

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Let's settle a silly question. Based on the below statement, when do you think the event takes place?

The shutdown will commence at midnight on Wednesday, 11 October 2023, and will be undertaken over 24 hours until midnight on Thursday, 12 October 2023.
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Hmm trying to add a poll but on mobile.

1. The night starting on the tenth and transitioning to the 11th.
2. The night starting on the 11th and transitioning to the 12th
3. Another.

Much of Durban was confused by this.
 
WAslayer said:
How is 1 even a possibility..

It's 2..
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My 2c,

Midnight is 00:00 which on the 11th makes it the night of the transition from 10th to 11th.

Or to use full datetime stamps

2023-10-11 00:00 is in period 1.

Another way:

23:59 is known as one minute to midnight, again making midnight 00:00.
 
Almost got banned asking the same question. This is a trap.

Midnight - When is it exactly?

South Africa - National chaos recently erupted after a lockdown was announced from midnight on a Thursday because of a virus with flu like symptoms which threatens world wide populations. However, a MASSIVE argument around when midnight is caused a HUGE division between those who know and those...
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RedViking said:
Almost got banned asking the same question. This is a trap.

Midnight - When is it exactly?

South Africa - National chaos recently erupted after a lockdown was announced from midnight on a Thursday because of a virus with flu like symptoms which threatens world wide populations. However, a MASSIVE argument around when midnight is caused a HUGE division between those who know and those...
mybroadband.co.za
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Post 11 of that thread aged really well....
 
RedViking said:
Almost got banned asking the same question. This is a trap.

Midnight - When is it exactly?

South Africa - National chaos recently erupted after a lockdown was announced from midnight on a Thursday because of a virus with flu like symptoms which threatens world wide populations. However, a MASSIVE argument around when midnight is caused a HUGE division between those who know and those...
mybroadband.co.za
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Lol that's impressive, it's not a trap as the same has occurred again. To quote:

PUBLIC NOTICE
UMNGENI-UTHUKELA TO EMBARK ON 24-HOUR PLANNED MAINTANANCE SHUTDOWN OF THE DURBAN HEIGHTS WATER TREATMENT PLANT
Monday, 09 October 2023

Umngeni-uThukela Water will implement a planned maintenance shutdown of its Durban Heights Water Treatment Plant to allow for the completion of repair work on Aquaduct-2, which was washed away during the floods in April 2022.

Aqueduct-2 is a large-diameter pipeline that supplies raw water to the Plant for purification and supply to customers. The planned maintenance shutdown requires the isolation of Aqueduct 2 to allow for the inspection of its last section. Depending on the inspection outcomes, carbon fibre repair kits will be installed on those identified sections of the Aqueduct.

The shutdown will commence at midnight on Wednesday, 11 October 2023, and will be undertaken over 24 hours until midnight on Thursday, 12 October 2023.

This critical maintenance exercise forms part of Umngeni-uThukela’s plans to restore its bulk water infrastructure following damages sustained during the April 2022 floods. During this time, parts of the eThekwini Metro will experience a reduced supply of water.

The following areas that are supplied by the Durban Heights Water Treatment Plant may experience some disruptions or low water pressure during this time:
• Durban North
• uMhlanga
• Phoenix
• Inanda
• Ntuzuma
• KwaMashu
• Umlazi
• Chatsworth
• Folweni
• Chesterville
• Westville
• Pinetown
• KwaSanti
• Savannah Park
• Klaarwater
.Verulam
.Redcliffe
•Richmond Farm
• Queensburgh
• Chatsworth
• Klaarwater
• Shallcross
• St Wendolins
• Savanah Park
• Welbedatch West
• Demat
• Luganda
• Mawelewele
• Parts of Nagina
• Washington Height

Umngeni-uThukela Water will continue to work with the eThekwini Metro to ensure that disruptions are minimal and that the maintenance work is kept to schedule.

We apologise for any disruption that will be caused during the maintenance work but reassure all our customers and the public that, ultimately, the infrastructure upgrade will result in a more secure supply of water in the future.

WE ALSO URGE THE PUBLIC TO CONTINUE TO USE WATER SPARINGLY.

Ends
Issued by: Office of the Chief Executive, Corporate Stakeholder Management Unit
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And was actioned early this morning. Then there were political statements about how this is a "botched" occasion but it was started anyway.

* DA ETHEKWINI COUNCILLORS MEMO*

11 October 2023
9h30am

*RE : UMNGENI-UTHUKELA's _BOTCHED_ MAINTENANCE SHUTDOWN OF THE DURBAN HEIGHTS WATER TREATMENT PLANT*


Umngeni-uThukela Water was to implement a _planned_ maintenance shutdown of its Durban Heights Water Treatment Plant to allow for the completion of repair work on Aquaduct-2, which was washed away during the floods in April 2022.

The shutdown was to have commenced at midnight on Wednesday, 11 October 2023, and undertaken over 24 hours until midnight on Thursday, 12 October 2023.

What has transpired though, is that Umgeni had published an incorrect date and proceeded to shut down anyway without informing the thousands of affected residents.
The shut was accordingly deemed premature as neither eThekwini nor Umgeni had put out any media alert to sensitize residents timeously

The DA in eThekwini had made enquiries from ews and received a firm commitment that EWS is working with Communications to issue a statement on the corrected information.

Whilst we are advised that Umgeni did correct their media statement since the shut started at midnight and that it is currently underway, due for completion tonight, such notice has not reached the already affected consumers and does nothing to remedy the situation.

The following areas that are supplied by the Durban Heights Water Treatment Plant may experience some disruptions or low water pressure during this time:
• Durban North
• uMhlanga
• Phoenix
• Inanda
• Ntuzuma
• KwaMashu
• Umlazi
• Chatsworth
• Folweni
• Chesterville
• Westville
• Pinetown
• KwaSanti
• Savannah Park
• Klaarwater

The ripple effect by this chaoctic management is that tankers are now in disarray as arrangements were made as per the initial notice.

DA cllrs are attending to finalize urgent requisitions for areas in need of tankers however eThekwini Municipality will have to allocate accordingly.

Our further reports will follow, when neccessary

DA ( eThekwini Municipality)
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And yes, as per post 7 in your thread, my sql Foo says 1 too.
 
Hamster said:
Didbt we have this discussion before and we said that since midnight is 00:00 it is the start of the day, but then the ANC/Eskom/CityPower came along and said it was the end of the day?
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According to @RedViking yes but I'm askimg based off a current event :D
 
RedViking said:
It will start tonight at 23:59 until tomorrow 23:59.

Or it will start this morning 00:01 until tomorrow morning 00:01
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The world's databases disagree but that's my opinion, I want to hear others too ( got yours now :p )
 
RedViking said:
It can be two different times. I think the best answer is that "Midnight" should not be used.

e.g. Wednesday Mignight can be Wednesday early morning 00:01 or Wednesday late evening 23:59.
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100% should not be used, told the councillors that when the confusion was already being raised on Monday. Best to have been 11pm or 1am rather.
 
Let's use the 24-hour clock..

That makes 24:00 Wednesday or 00:00 Thursday both midnight.. It certainly does not include the 10th as option 1 states..
 
Hamster said:
Well midnight is at 23:59.999...

If the clock hits 00:00 it's past midnight.

Bring on the mods!
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Yes and no. You transition from midnight Wednesday 23:59 to midnight Thursday 00:01. But that is why it is confusing. Midnight is just a way to say something starts late at night on one day and early morning of the other.

It is also only used for parties and celebrations, starting late the evening of that day.
 
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RedViking said:
It will start tonight at 23:59 until tomorrow 23:59.

Or it will start this morning 00:01 until tomorrow morning 00:01
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That would make sense but the water has been off since some time this morning in Queensburgh, Northdene etc
 
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