What is so wrong with being right wing?

PeterCH said:
What stigma? You do realise that there is a bigger world out there than South Afrika? People in Europe, North America, Asia and South America have no clue, nor doe they care what goes on in SA. Why should they, or do you think SA is seen as an influential country in the world?

Come on daveza, what stigma?

BTW Nats were originally right wing but by the 80s they were centre-right, the right wingers went to the CP. The PFP were more centre-left wing. Then you have to account for racial differences - English vs Afrikaaner. PFP was a party of the English while the NP and CP were more Afrikaaner.

Since blacks did not have the vote, their views did not count and their parties were not part of the spectrum. You could say that the original SACP (founded by whites shortly after the Commies took over in Russia) was left wing. The Black PAC was Black Right Wing and the ANC was Right-Wing centre with the SACP pretending to be left wing. We of course know what happens in any country where communists take over - we get totalitarianism and not liberalism. Everything goes under state control.
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So who played full back?:D
 
Don't forget that in the USA the Democrats (left wingers) were for slavery and the evil Republicans (right) were the people that fought against slave laws.

imo the better option is conservative liberalism:

Conservative liberal parties combine liberal policies with more traditional stances on social and ethical issues.[6]
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timgaul said:
You disagree with lowering taxes and the implementation of free trade?
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Forgive Fazda. To much Michael Moore for him.

Interesting that he brings up Obama. I don't recall the Bush administration attacking anti war protesters like the Democrat leaders condemn anti Obama policy protesters as anti American, racists, nazis etc
 
Alan said:
Forgive Fazda. To much Michael Moore for him.

Interesting that he brings up Obama. I don't recall the Bush administration attacking anti war protesters like the Democrat leaders condemn anti Obama policy protesters as anti American, racists, nazis etc
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Speaking of that, don't you think it's a blunder for Obama to go to Hawaii for Xmas vs staying in the Snowy Continental US as all the other president's before him. It kind of alienates him from most of the electorate culturally.
 
Alan said:
Forgive Fazda. To much Michael Moore for him.

Interesting that he brings up Obama. I don't recall the Bush administration attacking anti war protesters like the Democrat leaders condemn anti Obama policy protesters as anti American, racists, nazis etc
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No, they just accused them of being terrorists, arrested them. I have seen a video of anti war demonstrators being attacked by cops and beaten up, so your point is?
 
* What is so wrong with being right wing?


for one you dont get to eat left wings :mad:
 
timgaul said:
EDIT: oh and stop using right wing as an insult, because it is not. Yes, I'm talking about you LancelotSA.
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I think it would be obvious to anyone, in the context of the thread in question, that right wing in this country has clear connotations. Further to this I think it needs to be pointed out that you automatically assumed it was said in an insulting manner (I'll head off now to find the reference and post it here). If we, however, go along with your idea of it being insulting then you can proudly call yourself right wing if you so desire, I will continue to refer to it in an insulting manner. The same way I will refer to those on the far left in the same insulting manner!
 
w1z4rd said:
Lets be honest, the right is not very bright :D .. and to answer the OP`s... whats wrong with being right wing? Absolutely nothing at all. Most rurals are pretty conservative and backwards and thats fine. Thats how they want to live.
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A fool can ask more questions then a wize man can answer - hence I am right winged, (and I do not consider myself stupid, uneducated or 'not very bright') :)
 
Morgoth said:
A fool can ask more questions then a wize man can answer - hence I am right winged, (and I do not consider myself stupid, uneducated or 'not very bright') :)
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Ah but the wisdom is in the Huffing Post. ;) Reading that makes you wise.
 
w1z4rd said:
Lets be honest, the right is not very bright :D .. and to answer the OP`s... whats wrong with being right wing? Absolutely nothing at all. Most rurals are pretty conservative and backwards and thats fine. Thats how they want to live.
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It's rhymes what you said, i'll give you that. The right not being bright, is a typical liberal attack, which is by default hollow. The Right have had some of the best policies ever in the existence of politics. And yet you and others deem them not very bright. :rolleyes:
 
GL! said:
It's rhymes what you said, i'll give you that. The right not being bright, is a typical liberal attack, which is by default hollow. The Right have had some of the best policies ever in the existence of politics. And yet you and others deem them not very bright. :rolleyes:
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The right need more hugs!
 
Here we go, the post causing Tim to get all huffy. Now bear in mind we are talking Zuma, clearly left of centre, on the thread from which this is taken. And my view seemed to differ from the generally held consensus. After being accused of causing k@k I responded:

LancelotSA said:
Please point out where I am causing ***? News flash for you, expressing a different opinion to everyone else does not equate to causing ***. Unless this is actually a right wing forum and no one actually informed me.
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Now I personally cannot see the insult in that. Tim, could you please point it out.
 
"Right-wing" and "left-wing" politics are divisive.

Broadly speaking, left-wing politics are revolutionary in nature. They are critical of established institutions, and in modern times there tends to be a focus on the private economy being an inherently inequitable institution in need of regulation. Of course when a left-wing government actually comes into power, they are no longer critical of the state, but they will often continue to regard their own government as "progressive" or "revolutionary" in nature, and that voices raised in opposition are purely "counter-revolutionary" - with the intention of restoring a past, unjust social, economic or political hierarchy. I would describe the left-wing state as fundamentally maternalist in its appeal. "The state will provide."

On the other hand, right-wing politics are broadly reactionary in nature. They believe that something has gone wrong with society at some point in the recent past. For instance, while a left-winger might blame rising crime stats on poverty induced by corrupt economic institutions, a right-winger might blame it on the breakdown of moral values in society. If a right-winger opposes the current government, it's because they believe that current government policy is aligned with the awful event, or chain of events, which has happened to disrupt the correct social order of things. For example, they might criticise social grants as something which encourages people to remain unemployed, and to live parasitically off society - hence it is something which encourages the breakdown of society. The right-wing state is fundamentally paternalist in its appeal. "The state will protect."

The state should not be viewed as a parent of its citizens. Both left-wing and right-wing ideologies are equally open to authoritarianism/totalitarianism. It doesn't matter whether you're doing it in the name of "the people" or "the nation" - with enough power, the state can justify any evil from a right or left-wing perspective. Neither one is "correct".
 
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