What is so wrong with being right wing?

[Morgoth]

Palin for president!

*cough* obama *cough*,

each time I see a liberal vs conservative thread (usually created by the liberals) I would love to give the op a big PK,

"k@k vraag, probeer weer"

 

[w1z4rd]

"Right-wing" and "left-wing" politics are divisive.


The state should not be viewed as a parent of its citizens. Both left-wing and right-wing ideologies are equally open to authoritarianism/totalitarianism. It doesn't matter whether you're doing it in the name of "the people" or "the nation" - with enough power, the state can justify any evil from a right or left-wing perspective. Neither one is "correct".

Sensible post

 

[Ronjay]

"Right-wing" and "left-wing" politics are divisive.

Broadly speaking, left-wing politics are revolutionary in nature. They are critical of established institutions, and in modern times there tends to be a focus on the private economy being an inherently inequitable institution in need of regulation. Of course when a left-wing government actually comes into power, they are no longer critical of the state, but they will often continue to regard their own government as "progressive" or "revolutionary" in nature, and that voices raised in opposition are purely "counter-revolutionary" - with the intention of restoring a past, unjust social, economic or political hierarchy. I would describe the left-wing state as fundamentally maternalist in its appeal. "The state will provide."

On the other hand, right-wing politics are broadly reactionary in nature. They believe that something has gone wrong with society at some point in the recent past. For instance, while a left-winger might blame rising crime stats on poverty induced by corrupt economic institutions, a right-winger might blame it on the breakdown of moral values in society. If a right-winger opposes the current government, it's because they believe that current government policy is aligned with the awful event, or chain of events, which has happened to disrupt the correct social order of things. For example, they might criticise social grants as something which encourages people to remain unemployed, and to live parasitically off society - hence it is something which encourages the breakdown of society. The right-wing state is fundamentally paternalist in its appeal. "The state will protect."

The state should not be viewed as a parent of its citizens. Both left-wing and right-wing ideologies are equally open to authoritarianism/totalitarianism. It doesn't matter whether you're doing it in the name of "the people" or "the nation" - with enough power, the state can justify any evil from a right or left-wing perspective. Neither one is "correct".

Very true. Actually most sense written tonight.

 

[daveza]

Speaking of that, don't you think it's a blunder for Obama to go to Hawaii for Xmas vs staying in the Snowy Continental US as all the other president's before him. It kind of alienates him from most of the electorate culturally.

Well all the other presidents seem to have alienated the Hawaiians.

As for Republicans giving the label ' right wing ' a stigma, Sarah Palin should be sufficient explanation.

 

[Alan]

Don't forget that in the USA the Democrats (left wingers) were for slavery and the evil Republicans (right) were the people that fought against slave laws.

imo the better option is conservative liberalism:

Look at how race obsessed the left are.

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,", "I mean, that's a storybook, man."
Joe Biden


“See Barack been, um, talking down to black people on this faith based … I wanna cut his nuts off. Barack … he’s talking down to black people.”
Jesse Jackson


I forgot he was black
Chris Mathews

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) apologized today for referring to President Barack Obama as “light skinned” and “with no Negro dialect” in private conversations during the 2008 presidential campaign.

That's from Obama's fellow Dems. If the right were racists Condi Rice or Colin Powell wouldn't have reached those positions of power. Did Condi Rice suffer condescending comments from top Republicans like Obama did? The left regularly labeled her a "house ni**er" and a sell out as well.

People on the right believe in merit, the left believe in representation.

Speaking of that, don't you think it's a blunder for Obama to go to Hawaii for Xmas vs staying in the Snowy Continental US as all the other president's before him. It kind of alienates him from most of the electorate culturally.

Yeah it won't help his aloof and out of touch image. The guy is clueless. But what else can you expect from a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ. Extreme religious lunacy is supposedly only a problem on the right side of the political spectrum.....

No, they just accused them of being terrorists, arrested them. I have seen a video of anti war demonstrators being attacked by cops and beaten up, so your point is?

Links?


In S.A there is no center right party unfortunately.

 

[Alan]

"Right-wing" and "left-wing" politics are divisive.

Broadly speaking, left-wing politics are revolutionary in nature. They are critical of established institutions, and in modern times there tends to be a focus on the private economy being an inherently inequitable institution in need of regulation. Of course when a left-wing government actually comes into power, they are no longer critical of the state, but they will often continue to regard their own government as "progressive" or "revolutionary" in nature, and that voices raised in opposition are purely "counter-revolutionary" - with the intention of restoring a past, unjust social, economic or political hierarchy. I would describe the left-wing state as fundamentally maternalist in its appeal. "The state will provide."

On the other hand, right-wing politics are broadly reactionary in nature. They believe that something has gone wrong with society at some point in the recent past. For instance, while a left-winger might blame rising crime stats on poverty induced by corrupt economic institutions, a right-winger might blame it on the breakdown of moral values in society. If a right-winger opposes the current government, it's because they believe that current government policy is aligned with the awful event, or chain of events, which has happened to disrupt the correct social order of things. For example, they might criticise social grants as something which encourages people to remain unemployed, and to live parasitically off society - hence it is something which encourages the breakdown of society. The right-wing state is fundamentally paternalist in its appeal. "The state will protect."

The state should not be viewed as a parent of its citizens. Both left-wing and right-wing ideologies are equally open to authoritarianism/totalitarianism. It doesn't matter whether you're doing it in the name of "the people" or "the nation" - with enough power, the state can justify any evil from a right or left-wing perspective. Neither one is "correct".

We have a winner.

 

[PeterCH]

Well all the other presidents seem to have alienated the Hawaiians.

Who originally did not celebrate Xmas at all and many of whom want to secede anyway. The majority is still the type who enjoy their break in snow with a tree. It alienates the majority. Shows how un-American he is culturally.

As for Republicans giving the label ' right wing ' a stigma, Sarah Palin should be sufficient explanation.[/QUOTE]

Look at Al Gore. Mr Global Warming enjoys his superfluous flights.

 

[w1z4rd]

Don't forget that in the USA the Democrats (left wingers) were for slavery and the evil Republicans (right) were the people that fought against slave laws.

imo the better option is conservative liberalism:

Completely wrong. Back then the Democrats were the right wing conservatives and the Republicans were the liberal left. Epic fail

 

[Generix]

"Right-wing" and "left-wing" politics are divisive.

I'd like to rephrase, if I may ... politics are divisive. Which, inevitably, leads to factions and name-calling, such as left- and right-wing.

The state should not be viewed as a parent of its citizens. Both left-wing and right-wing ideologies are equally open to authoritarianism/totalitarianism. It doesn't matter whether you're doing it in the name of "the people" or "the nation" - with enough power, the state can justify any evil from a right or left-wing perspective. Neither one is "correct".

+1
Your excellent point is illustrated by Paul Craig Roberts' lament for the loss of American citizens' protection from the state under both so-called conservative (right) and liberal (left) administrations:

The U.S. is Now a Police State
Americans have been losing the protection of law for years. In the 21st century the loss of legal protections accelerated with the Bush administration’s “war on terror,” which continues under the Obama administration and is essentially a war on the Constitution and U.S. civil liberties.../

.../Indeed, on February 3 Dennis Blair, director of National Intelligence told the House Intelligence Committee that it was now “defined policy” that the U.S. government can murder its own citizens on the sole basis of someone in the government’s judgment that an American is a threat. No arrest, no trial, no conviction, just execution on suspicion of being a threat.

The rest here: http://www.counterpunch.com/roberts02102010.html

 

[Fazda]

It's rhymes what you said, i'll give you that. The right not being bright, is a typical liberal attack, which is by default hollow. The Right have had some of the best policies ever in the existence of politics. And yet you and others deem them not very bright.

Seeing as this was posted by Mister Tinfoil Hat "9/11 conspiracy theorist" himself - I can comfortably go to work knowing that the so called right wingers are as loony as Sarah Palin!

Just one other observation - @ Alan, if liberals are so obsessed with race, why is it the right wingers who have started off such delightful little groups such as the KKK and the Nazis?

 

[Fazda]

Who originally did not celebrate Xmas at all and many of whom want to secede anyway. The majority is still the type who enjoy their break in snow with a tree. It alienates the majority. Shows how un-American he is culturally.

As for Republicans giving the label ' right wing ' a stigma, Sarah Palin should be sufficient explanation.

Look at Al Gore. Mr Global Warming enjoys his superfluous flights.

The fact that Obama went to Hawaii for Christmas was everything to do with his family living there and sweet blow all to do with escaping from the snow - guess you got that tidbid from Faux News...

To bring up Palin and Gore is quite interesting, and possibly highlights the biggest difference between R and L

Palin = "Screw the world and use up the oil...Global Warming is all a hoax"

Gore = " for god's sake people we are screwing with the world, let's do something about it"

The Right, along with Attila the Hun, see absolutely nothing wrong with using all the resources that the world provides...wild animals are there to be shot for our amusement and oil and trees...who needs them after we are gone?

 

[boramk]

Nothing is wrong with the right wing, nothing is wrong with the left wing either, although I'm more inclined to the former.
It's just the far left and right I dislike

 

[Fudzy]

It's just the far left and right I dislike

+1

Like religion, when it becomes extremists is when there is a problem.

 

[noxibox]

Right wing, left, liberal, conservative, the terms mean different things in different places. In South Africa the term right wing came to be associated with white racists, and conservative with people opposed to any and all change for any reason.

 

[noxibox]

It's one thing to follow blindly, quite another to hold onto tradition.

So they'll give them up if they have become outdated?

You disagree with lowering taxes and the implementation of free trade?

What is free trade? As an example if China uses near slave labour to produce cheap goods and perhaps also mount a draconian campaign to discourage their own people from using any foreign goods should they be allowed unfettered access to a foreign market? Is trade free when an economically more powerful country can bully a weaker country?

Completely wrong. Back then the Democrats were the right wing conservatives and the Republicans were the liberal left. Epic fail

Funny to think the Republicans were once the defenders of freedom. How far they have fallen.

 

[semiautomatix]

Completely wrong. Back then the Democrats were the right wing conservatives and the Republicans were the liberal left. Epic fail

Yeah, it's one of those weird things how the parties switched sides in the early 1900s!

 

[semiautomatix]

What is free trade? As an example if China uses near slave labour to produce cheap goods and perhaps also mount a draconian campaign to discourage their own people from using any foreign goods should they be allowed unfettered access to a foreign market? Is trade free when an economically more powerful country can bully a weaker country?

Nope, but then China is ultra-left wing; the right wing are for free trade, the Chinese obviously not.

 

[semiautomatix]

Seeing as this was posted by Mister Tinfoil Hat "9/11 conspiracy theorist" himself - I can comfortably go to work knowing that the so called right wingers are as loony as Sarah Palin!

Just one other observation - @ Alan, if liberals are so obsessed with race, why is it the right wingers who have started off such delightful little groups such as the KKK and the Nazis?

And every time Julius looses and argument he calls his detractors racists or coconuts, his anti-white remarks are well known; the ANC YL is a little known left wing group obsessed with race.

 

[Alan]

Completely wrong. Back then the Democrats were the right wing conservatives and the Republicans were the liberal left. Epic fail

Seems you've never heard of the civil rights act of 1964

By party

The original House version:[8]

* Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
* Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)

Cloture in the Senate:[9]

* Democratic Party: 44-23 (66%-34%)
* Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)

The Senate version:[8]

* Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
* Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:[8]

* Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
* Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)

So the Republicans were liberal in 1964???

Just one other observation - @ Alan, if liberals are so obsessed with race, why is it the right wingers who have started off such delightful little groups such as the KKK and the Nazis?

What's with the Palin obsession.

Oh and the Nazis were socialists. Very right wing.

So were the Japanese nationalists of WW2 by the way.

 

[w1z4rd]

and the liberal more klaps!

Would it help if I was black?

*cough* obama *cough*,

each time I see a liberal vs conservative thread (usually created by the liberals) I would love to give the op a big PK,

"k@k vraag, probeer weer"

If you are comparing Obama to Palin you really are as conservative and right wing as they come. Good for you again

Seems you've never heard of the civil rights act of 1964

I was thinking more around the time of Lincoln He was a lil before the 60`s

So the Republicans were liberal in 1964???

wtf are you smoking? Im talking BEFORE that. LOL. Who said the Republicans were liberal in 1964??!?!?! lol