What is so wrong with being right wing?

Fazda said:
Tim, I don't know where you did your studying, but it is a well known fact that extreme right wing and extreme left wing are virtually the same as far as wanting to have total control of everything.

The original Communistic ideology was just that...a dream of a Utopia where all men were equal. What they didn't work out at the time was that the leaders would want to be more equal than the rest of the masses. Net result is that your Left Wing dictator (eg Stalin) is very similar to a Right Wing dictator such as Hitler. Both people need ultimate power and rule their people with an iron rod.

You cannot lump all liberal thinking in with the Communists, just as it would be wrong to lump all right wing thinking in with the Nazis.\
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Fazda, you seem very confused. Why can't either wing have a totalitarian government? It's not exclusive to one side or the other. You also seem to be under the impression that China subscribes to Lenin-Marxism, which it doesn't.

Finally, I never said that the left wing were communists, I said that communists were left wing. Liberals exist on the left wing, as do communists. Conservatives exist on the right wing as do fascists. It is either left or right (or perhaps centre) and communism is most definitely not right wing. Go read up on this stuff starting with the French revolution, maybe you'll understand.

Just in case you want to debate this further:

In several countries, the terms far left and radical left have been associated with communism, Maoism, Autonomism and many forms of anarchism. They have been used to describe groups that advocate anti-capitalist, identity politics or eco-terrorism. In France, a distinction is made between the left (Socialist Party and Communist Party) and the far left (Trotskyists, Maoists and Anarchists). The US Department of Homeland Security defines left-wing extremism as groups who want "to bring about change through violent revolution rather than through established political processes."
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Now, Maoism is what China subscribes to, and as such it is left wing. Geddit?

For further study Fazda: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics#Varieties
 
Jeez people are twitchy today :o


timgaul said:
Alan, what the hell man? That's what I said? :confused:


Alan, if you didn't want to talk about it then why did you jump on the band wagon? Honestly, go bother someone else.
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So I missed the question mark...

It's the other way around. Dems were generally against the civil war. FFS get you facts straight if you don't want to be "bothered". :rolleyes:



w1z4rd said:
Why? How about the answer "I dont care"? My statement was in reference to a much earlier time period. I dont give a hoot about the politics in the 1960`s so far as my point is concerned. As far as I am concerned american democrats are normally right of my politics and republicans far right of my politics.

Again your autism is kicking in... you think I would care to defend the democrats. lol. You are the apologetic, not me ;) I admit the Dems suck :D
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*sigh* and so the thread decades into sheer stupidity. You don't care because you want to keep your little delusion alive. Lincoln was not a liberal and the republicans today are the same as they were in his time.

Then again you lot didn't even have a clue what a neocon is so back to fulling your head with the Huffington Post smut you get off on.


kthxbye
 
Alan said:
Lincoln was not a liberal and the republicans today are the same as they were in his time.

Then again you lot didn't even have a clue what a neocon is so back to fulling your head with the Huffington Post smut you get off on.

kthxbye
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You clearly have no clue about what you are talking about. I feel sad for you.
 
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Alan said:
It's the other way around. Dems were generally against the civil war. FFS get you facts straight if you don't want to be "bothered". :rolleyes:
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Alan, read up about how the Republicans campaigned against slavery but did not intend a full scale civil war, war was the insistence of many members of the Democratic party. It was only when the South attacked that the Union had no option but to retaliate. Man, how do you not know this stuff but keep on arguing?
 
timgaul said:
Alan, read up about how the Republicans campaigned against slavery but did not intend a full scale civil war, war was the insistence of many members of the Democratic party. It was only when the South attacked that the Union had no option but to retaliate. Man, how do you not know this stuff but keep on arguing?
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*facepalm*

War Democrats in American politics of the 1860s were adherents of the Democratic Party who opposed the majority of that party to support the military policies of President Abraham Lincoln in the American Civil War.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Democrats

During the American Civil War (1861-1865), the Copperheads nominally favored the Union and strongly opposed the war, for which they blamed abolitionists, and they demanded immediate peace and resisted draft laws. They wanted President Lincoln and the Republicans ousted from power, seeing the president as a tyrant who was destroying American republican values with his despotic and arbitrary actions.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copperheads_(politics)
 
Alan said:
*facepalm*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Democrats

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copperheads_(politics)
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Er... Alan, war had already started then, so the War Democrats argument is moot. This is the same as saying FDR was wrong for going to war with Japan after Pearl Harbour.

We're talking before the Union was forced to go to war, boet.

You really don't know you history, do you? Don't know why I bother to entertain your fantasies. Then again, for someone who doesn't want to discuss Lincoln you do go on a bit.
 
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Hey whatever. I could supply a long list of links giving you a history lesson if you'd like. Of course feel free to post links to your alternative history theory.....
 
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trying to explain left wing and right wing politics by using American democrats and republicans as an example is a waste of time. Nothing about American politics makes sense. :D
 
timgaul said:
Fazda, you seem very confused. Why can't either wing have a totalitarian government? It's not exclusive to one side or the other. You also seem to be under the impression that China subscribes to Lenin-Marxism, which it doesn't.

Finally, I never said that the left wing were communists, I said that communists were left wing. Liberals exist on the left wing, as do communists. Conservatives exist on the right wing as do fascists. It is either left or right (or perhaps centre) and communism is most definitely not right wing. Go read up on this stuff starting with the French revolution, maybe you'll understand.

Just in case you want to debate this further:
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Tim..please read what I said again...I SAID that both groups subscribed to totalitarian governments and that they weren't exclusive to one or the other..:rolleyes:

Where did I say that Communists are right wing? Try reading a little more slowly next time before putting words in my mouth...TIA. :D
 
zippy said:
trying to explain left wing and right wing politics by using American democrats and republicans as an example is a waste of time. Nothing about American politics makes sense. :D
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Maybe Bwana can clear this mix up on U.S history.


Then again he always takes the opposing view to me so maybe not :D
 
Fazda said:
Tim..please read what I said again...I SAID that both groups subscribed to totalitarian governments and that they weren't exclusive to one or the other..:rolleyes:

Where did I say that Communists are right wing? Try reading a little more slowly next time before putting words in my mouth...TIA. :D
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And Fazda, where did I say that you said communists were right wing?

Now who is putting words in someone else's mouth, eh? No amount of irony is lost on you. Pot... kettle... black, welcome to the support group.

However, what I did say is you can very well lump liberals and communists together if you're referring to the left wing especially and I made this abundantly clear, since there are different types of communism.
 
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Fazda said:
OK it looks as if neither of us understand each-other.

Have a good life.
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Have a good life? BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA! Seriously dude, is this high school? Are you my sweet sixteen girlfriend? Have a good life... pfft. Thanks I needed a laugh before the weekend started. :D:D:D
 
And once again, the so called right winger allows the whole thing to become a name calling bit of one upmanship.

Seriously "dude" I am not your girlfriend - I simply stated the fact that we are obviously not going to see eye to eye on this argument. If you wish to take what I say as something to mock, you are simply reverting to school yard lack of intelligence. :rolleyes:
 
Fazda said:
And once again, the so called right winger allows the whole thing to become a name calling bit of one upmanship.

Seriously "dude" I am not your girlfriend - I simply stated the fact that we are obviously not going to see eye to eye on this argument. If you wish to take what I say as something to mock, you are simply reverting to school yard lack of intelligence. :rolleyes:
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You're kinda hot... would you like to touch me in my "special place"? Hehehehehee, dude, you are a riot! Say something else!
 
phenom said:
liberalism means individual liberty, while socialism stands for forced collectivism, how is it that people place the two in one boat?
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Your definitions are incorrect. Do you honestly believe you can have a social security structure whilst not providing for the state as an individual? Liberty is freedom to choose, which means majority democracy (but not democracy). Have you not been granted that right? Socialism involves the choice to provide a part of your income to benefit others who are not as well off? You have exercised your vote (liberty) and chosen socialism (benefiting) others have you not?
 
Damn this thread has gone to the dogs. Pity
 
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