What was your salary increase %?

Serqet said:
No i completely agree with you in this regard. However, i'm lucky in the fact that i work for a small publishing house so the figures can't really be hidden. We know how well we are doing based on the advertising being sold. I see what comes in and have heard from several in the industry on how we are all battling to sell advertising. So i know exactly where i stand.
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This company is employing on average 10 new people a month - they can't tell me times are tough and work is scarce.
 
Money is the only measure

I agree that it is fundamentally a business transaction between you and your employer. It is naive to assume anything else and you can judge your relationship, and importance, with your boss/company by one measure only. Money, be it in the form of shares, salary, bonus etc. All else is BS and they know it is BS too. We are in the middle of a salary freeze, but got a signed job offer with 25% more and they caved in and matched it + free petrol + free cellphone which really pissed me off.
 
xrapidx said:
One of the other problems, quite a few companies in the IT industry will make you an offer based on your current income, if you continually take a decrease (as an increase), when you eventually look for other work, the prospective companies will offer you a rate based on your current decreased income, not based on your experience.
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I used to tell companies what I'm currently getting paid when going on an interview. I learnt that's the worst mistake because you've shown them your hand. You could say I earn R100 and they expect to pay R200 but now will only pay you R150 because they know what you were on.

So the trick is to tell them it's not relevant and not really any of their business. I move to ask what the position is worth, if they flip the question asking what I want, I tell them some inflated figure and work down from there. If we can't come right then I suppose it was not meant to be.

But it's really difficult to negotiate especially if you refuse to tell them what you currently earn, but it really is not relevant, it's a different company with different expectations.
 
andytl5 said:
I used to tell companies what I'm currently getting paid when going on an interview. I learnt that's the worst mistake because you've shown them your hand. You could say I earn R100 and they expect to pay R200 but now will only pay you R150 because they know what you were on.

So the trick is to tell them it's not relevant and not really any of their business. I move to ask what the position is worth, if they flip the question asking what I want, I tell them some inflated figure and work down from there. If we can't come right then I suppose it was not meant to be.

But it's really difficult to negotiate especially if you refuse to tell them what you currently earn, but it really is not relevant, it's a different company with different expectations.
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A lot of companies require that information before hand though - or at least what you expect (which is fine). I know this company actually checked what you say you earn.

I've got quite a few private clients that accept what I charge then - I did work for one last in 2006, they approached me for more work, I did it at the old rate for one month, and with the invoice I sent a letter telling them if further work is required there's about a 35% increase in the rate, they didn't even question it.

I think what I might do is tell them I'll agree to their offered rate only if my hours are limited to 120/140 per month - then I can concentrate on private clients more - I have a pretty good name with large corporates, and want to keep it that way, in 3-5 years I plan on starting up by myself completely - I just need to reach the age where I'm not considered too young to have experience, which is a corporate mentality.

nkpza said:
I agree that it is fundamentally a business transaction between you and your employer. It is naive to assume anything else and you can judge your relationship, and importance, with your boss/company by one measure only. Money, be it in the form of shares, salary, bonus etc. All else is BS and they know it is BS too. We are in the middle of a salary freeze, but got a signed job offer with 25% more and they caved in and matched it + free petrol + free cellphone which really pissed me off.
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Thats the thing that pisses me off - they treat you like you're worthless until you find work elsehwhere - then suddenly you're important.
 
xrapidx said:
A lot of companies require that information before hand though - or at least what you expect (which is fine). I know this company actually checked what you say you earn.

I've got quite a few private clients that accept what I charge then - I did work for one last in 2006, they approached me for more work, I did it at the old rate for one month, and with the invoice I sent a letter telling them if further work is required there's about a 35% increase in the rate, they didn't even question it.
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Sounds like an awesome plan. I like the mix of working for yourself and being employed by a company at the same time.

Jeez... I can't believe companies research what you were paid, that info is supposed to be confidential at all times even after you've left!
 
andytl5 said:
Sounds like an awesome plan. I like the mix of working for yourself and being employed by a company at the same time.

Jeez... I can't believe companies research what you were paid, that info is supposed to be confidential at all times even after you've left!
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I suppose its seen as part of verifying your current employment.

Yeh - always wanted to do my own thing - not quite a 'company' man. Just about every company I've contracted too, I've thought I could do this so much better...

Once I'm around 35 - Its exactly what I plan on doing - hopefully by then my house will be paid off, and I'll have no other major debt - so it'll be a fairly risk free attempt.
 
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