WhatsApp vs Telegram - Features and security

One point missed is WhatsApp data is pushed to Facebook.. more oil for the Zuckerberg empire to get more cash off your details.

You cant tell me that whatsapp has any security when Facebook is in the picture. Security from maybe other people trying to intercept, but I doubt there is any security when uncle CIA comes knocking on their door asking for your chat logs.
 
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A better comparison would be telegram vs slack/mattermost/RocketChat...

All of the latter can be used for more thanks to bots, Hubot is a great example of something which WhatsApp lacks
 
Don't care about features or security - all my family and friends use Whatsapp
 
Nice to see MyBB giving Telegram some publicity. It's a real shame more people don't use it considering how much better it is than WhatsApp.

Ipwn 4 said:
A better comparison would be telegram vs slack/mattermost/RocketChat...

All of the latter can be used for more thanks to bots, Hubot is a great example of something which WhatsApp lacks
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WhatsApp is a perfect comparison for Telegram. Exact same type of app and very similar design. Telegram is basically what WhatsApp could be if the developers gave a damn about innovating.

aktiv said:
Don't care about features or security - all my family and friends use Whatsapp
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When I first installed Telegram I had 3 other contacts who used it. Now almost all my important friends and family are using Telegram and WhatsApp constitutes maybe 10% or less of my instant messaging. Telegram is a vastly superior platform and getting people to check it out is pretty easy.

Some of the features aren't so minor btw. Just the fact that it's cloud-based, can access a single account across all your devices (even on tablets without a sim card) and can automatically delete local copies of older media taking up space on your devices is a big deal. It's also extremely data efficient - the compression it uses is borderline magic.
 
Bryn said:
Some of the features aren't so minor btw. Just the fact that it's cloud-based, can access a single account across all your devices (even on tablets without a sim card)
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I agree on all above, but server based messaging is also crucial for reliable message delivery. With Whatsapp both (sender and receipient) must be online in the same time. In the areas where Internet access is interrupted while both of you you are on the road, it may delay message delivery for couple hours.
 
sajunky said:
I agree on all above, but server based messaging is also crucial for reliable message delivery. With Whatsapp both (sender and receipient) must be online in the same time. In the areas where Internet access is interrupted while both of you you are on the road, it may delay message delivery for couple hours.
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You sure about this?
 
adsl2 said:
You sure about this?
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No, he isn't.

EDIT: I was in the Drakensberg the past few days. Poor cell coverage on all networks obviously. When I sent whatsapps they obviously all sent out when we had signal, at the same time I would get all the ones sent to me while i had no signal, delivered all at once.
 
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supersunbird said:
No, he isn't.

EDIT: I was in the Drakensberg the past few days. Poor cell coverage on all networks obviously. When I sent whatsapps they obviously all sent out when we had signal, at the same time I would get all the ones sent to me while i had no signal, delivered all at once.
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Makes sense. I'm pretty sure WA uses a client-server architecture and not P2P.
 
adsl2 said:
Makes sense. I'm pretty sure WA uses a client-server architecture and not P2P.
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It does P2P indeed as advertised. In consequence both peers must have Internet access in the same time, even for few seconds. Otherwise you will see a one tick next to the message instead of two.

Client-server architecture is more flexible and when I want true encrypted P2P for some reason, I will use secret chats in Telegram.
 
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Ricard said:
One point missed is WhatsApp data is pushed to Facebook.. more oil for the Zuckerberg empire to get more cash off your details.

You cant tell me that whatsapp has any security when Facebook is in the picture. Security from maybe other people trying to intercept, but I doubt there is any security when uncle CIA comes knocking on their door asking for your chat logs.
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Metadata, not data. They can't see the contents of your messages, but they can see who you're messaging and how frequently.

This complaint about WhatsApp being linked to Facebook is really amazing to me, because the donkeys that hee-haw about Telegram haven't looked past their noses. They don't realise that Telegram was founded by this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Durov
whose other big thing is VKontakte, which is basically the Russian version of Facebook.

Personally? I trust Zuckerberg *slightly* more than I trust Durov. Granted that's not much.

If I were an idealist I would use Signal, but now that Open Whisper Systems has done the end-to-end encryption for WhatsApp, and basically everyone uses WhatsApp while no-one knows what Signal is, WhatsApp is the way to go. (A messaging app isn't too great if you're the only one who uses it.)

sajunky said:
It does P2P indeed as advertised. In consequence both peers must have Internet access in the same time, even for few seconds. Otherwise you will see a one tick next to the message instead of two.

Client-server architecture is more flexible and when I want true encrypted P2P for some reason, I will use secret chats in Telegram.
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WhatsApp is totally client-server. Not P2P at all.

Try this experiment. Get your friend to switch his phone off, and send him a WhatsApp message. You'll get one tick-mark.
Then switch your phone off, and switch his on. Lo and behold! It will be delivered. The single tick-mark means that your message has been stored on the server for delivery but that his phone hasn't been reached yet. When you switch your phone back on you'll see both tick-marks.

Don't know what made you think it was anything otherwise.
 
I installed Telegram again today and I must say it’s nice and clean.

Also feels pretty snappy compared to WhatsApp.

Sadly there just aren’t many people using it and that’s the real sticking point.

I do like the Username function over giving out your number though.
 
WA is currently down *♀️

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