Um. Could you explain what you mean by that? The only reason that I feel that BSD gets released slower is simply because it has a much smaller userbase and therefore less development is done.
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Um. Could you explain what you mean by that? The only reason that I feel that BSD gets released slower is simply because it has a much smaller userbase and therefore less development is done.
SilverNodashi
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No. FreeBSD, or BSD for that matter is UNIX, and UNIX IS NOT Linux, nor is Linux UNIX. Linux comes from UNIX, but has evolved on it's own over the years.
Linux is more aimed at the end user and newbies, and it will more than often support the latest hardware and technologies, whereas UNIX is a much more stable & secure OS, and that's it's main focus. It's made for servers / security / networking / routers / etc
P.S. Have you tried OpenBSD?
FYI BSD is not Unix, its Unix like. Linux is not Unix and is also Unix like. You dont sound like you are clear on your information from my perspective.
Are you implying that professionals dont use the latest hardware and technologies and only "newbies" do? Considering that linux makes up most of the worlds internet servers .. I think you are talking nonsense.
You mean like linux?
I know exactly what BSD is used for thanksP.S. Have you tried OpenBSD?
Yes... but thats not a challenge (I am familiar with iptables and security), try a NetBSD server (make sure you have your calculator around)
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chiskop
Executive Member
Um w1zard, its not the same guy. 
It's that reading thing again.
It's that reading thing again.
chiskop
Executive Member
This is what happens when you are working on giptables.conf at the same time while reading a forum
You have to set your priorities a little more carefully then, and stop wasting time with those iptables.
Though, I do agree with your points esp the difference between unix-like and based on unix.
You have to set your priorities a little more carefully then, and stop wasting time with those iptables.
I know I know... Im trying.
SilverNodashi
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What is BSD then? Please explain it to me, I'd like to see if you know
Have you tried running a GeForce 9600 or a USB Wifi card, or stuff like that on BSD before? For the same reason why some Linux distro's support all the latest hardware, and some don't, BSD doesn't support all the latest hardware. Bear in mind, the latest hardware is only the latest till something new replaces it. SO, BSD will eventually support it, but it's still not going to concentrate on every 3D card, joystick or steering wheel. It's not meant to be a desktop OS, as Linux is
You mean like linux?
No, BSD / UNIX
UNIX existed on server long before Linux did. Yes, Linux ALSO runs on servers, we use many different linux distro's on servers, as well as BSD Why isn't that a challenge? Do you even know what OpenBSD's main focus is? Security, in every part of it. It will work on far less "fancy" hardware that FreeBSD will. Why do you need a steering wheel & SLi GeForce on a server?
I've been using Debian Etch since I got my most recent notebook (last year June-ish) and I've never had any problems. The Debian forums are super helpful, the apt package manager is super easy to use, and there are plenty of resources available on the net to further your knowledge.
Enter Ubuntu...
About the only reason I haven't installed Ubuntu (and removed Debian) is because Debian is WORKING... it has taken quite a while for me to tweak things to be just the way I like, and to be honest, I'm quite scared of losing it all
HOWEVER...
I have worked on several Ubuntu machines and even the "newbies" that have installed Ubuntu have not reported any issues, which makes me think that Ubuntu is probably a good way for the average Windows user to explore and experiment with Linux
Enter Ubuntu...
About the only reason I haven't installed Ubuntu (and removed Debian) is because Debian is WORKING... it has taken quite a while for me to tweak things to be just the way I like, and to be honest, I'm quite scared of losing it all
HOWEVER...
I have worked on several Ubuntu machines and even the "newbies" that have installed Ubuntu have not reported any issues, which makes me think that Ubuntu is probably a good way for the average Windows user to explore and experiment with Linux
Please, let's not get into a huff about trivialities. There are dozens of Linux distros, meant for different purposes. Some are used for server or enterprise applications (and perform excellently), whilst others are aimed at the end-user or desktop environment (and are becoming increasingly popular as the ease-of-use improves).
For me the main point about Linux, is that the OS itself is free and encourages OSS through collaboration of a global community. If you support that, join in, otherwise go right ahead and use whatever you please.
It's not necessary to nitpick about who knows more than the next. Leave that to the M$-enthusiasts and the script-kiddies please.
For clarifications' sake, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bsd:
That seems pretty spot-on
For me the main point about Linux, is that the OS itself is free and encourages OSS through collaboration of a global community. If you support that, join in, otherwise go right ahead and use whatever you please.
It's not necessary to nitpick about who knows more than the next. Leave that to the M$-enthusiasts and the script-kiddies please.
For clarifications' sake, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bsd:
That seems pretty spot-on
SilverNodashi
Expert Member
Well, the question was about FreeBSD and why it's being released slower than Linux.
Here's a nice overview of the UNIX history, before Linux came into existence:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix#1980s
Interestingly, that article does touch a bit on how UNIX later influenced other Operating Systems like OS/2, PC DOS, etc. I have a book called "UNIX System Security Tools", which outlines the whole software history and indicates how the founders of C (currently C++ & C#) were the almost directly responsible to software to be portable between mainframes, which also later lead to other Operating Systems to be "evolved"
P.S. Please don't see education as a flame war
Here's a nice overview of the UNIX history, before Linux came into existence:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix#1980s
Interestingly, that article does touch a bit on how UNIX later influenced other Operating Systems like OS/2, PC DOS, etc. I have a book called "UNIX System Security Tools", which outlines the whole software history and indicates how the founders of C (currently C++ & C#) were the almost directly responsible to software to be portable between mainframes, which also later lead to other Operating Systems to be "evolved"
P.S. Please don't see education as a flame war
Skeptik
Banned
ROFL.Well, the question was about FreeBSD and why it's being released slower than Linux.
Here's a nice overview of the UNIX history, before Linux came into existence:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix#1980s
Interestingly, that article does touch a bit on how UNIX later influenced other Operating Systems like OS/2, PC DOS, etc. I have a book called "UNIX System Security Tools", which outlines the whole software history and indicates how the founders of C (currently C++ & C#) were the almost directly responsible to software to be portable between mainframes, which also later lead to other Operating Systems to be "evolved"
P.S. Please don't see education as a flame war
You're totally correct of course. The Linux folk don't like to see the truth. They even get comments they don't like deleted
bit like the Scientologists eh?Mention that Apple OSX Leopard IS UNIX and let's see the response.
Skeptik
Banned
You might want to try PC-BSD. Their installer is great. There are some issues which are niggling me, but all in all it's a great effort from a tiny community.BSD is pretty awesome, I will admit, but I wouldn't use it as a workstation myself as it is just too much effort. I can understand using it on one's servers (although OpenBSD is probably a better chocie), but for me I just don't see any reason other than masochism that would lead one to install it on their workstation
er...
Really? In what respect? Still using FreeBSD 6.1, NetBSD and Slack here.
No. FreeBSD, or BSD for that matter is UNIX, and UNIX IS NOT Linux, nor is Linux UNIX. Linux comes from UNIX, but has evolved on it's own over the years.
Linux is more aimed at the end user and newbies, and it will more than often support the latest hardware and technologies, whereas UNIX is a much more stable & secure OS, and that's it's main focus. It's made for servers / security / networking / routers / etc
P.S. Have you tried OpenBSD?
Yes, I've tried OpenBSD. Was fun to play with and really easy to install. I bet you're not using a wireless card that requires ndiswrapper on it though.
I think FreeBSD, NetBSD and GNU/Linux all have their roots in 4.4 BSD, no? A lot of Linux distros look nothing like UNIX now of course, but Posix is the guiding standard, not leetness factor.
BTW, security and stability are affected by what is actually installed, and how the installer did the job. Comparing a NetBSD ftp and http server with a Linux box that does multimedia, emulation for gaming, wireless, bluetooth etc., (and happens to do ftp, serve a few web pages and host a DC++ hub at the same time), is just plain dumb.
It's like saying MessDOS 3.3 is the best OS cos it is rock solid. Of course it is, it does fsckall.
The Axe Dude
Senior Member
Well, I just booted into Ubuntu for the first time...ever I like it, and I dont seem to be having any issues *yet*, although it is only the live CD...I might have to install it onto a partition XD
Verrry Nice...Will wait for a final of Hardy Heron maybe though...
I like it, and I dont seem to be having any issues *yet*, although it is only the live CD...I might have to install it onto a partition XDVerrry Nice...Will wait for a final of Hardy Heron maybe though...
Gunny
Expert Member
I havent read the complete thread but has any one mentioned that the thread started can go to a freedom toaster.