White Domination

Don't blame white domination blame black incompetence, why should we give up jobs recruit black only people when we know 70% of the time they are incapable of doing the job, its not personal its business and besides the word PRIVATE sector comes to mind.
 
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Mandela fought against White Domination, and it was a fight he was prepared to die for, but the fight is not yet over as the latest report from the Commission for Employment Equity shows, White males still dominate the managerial levels of the private sector, with White women drawing teh largest advantage from AA policies.

White people are also favoured for recruitment and promotion, the full report is available on the Department of Labour's website

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Of course. They need to fire 90% of these whites and employ
connected blacks, only then will there be equality.
 
Don't black white domination blame black incompetence, why should we give up jobs recruit black only people when we know 70% of the time they are incapable of doing the job, its not personal its business and besides the word PRIVATE sector comes to mind.

Ok, who is this guy?
 
Well there COULD BE, and statistics and scientific studies do very strongly suggest differences, so it is possible, and probably a certainty. We should never study racial differences in a countries dealings and economics, never. If there is a difference then it should be factored as a possibility, and not studied or policies made on it. The government should not try to 'equate' races on income....

Found this now don't flame the messenger and I also don't know if it is something cooked up by some right wing nutcase or legit

A few days ago, the Nobel Laureate, Dr James Watson, made a remark that is now generating worldwide uproar, especially among the blacks. He said what to me looks like a self-evident truth. He told The Sunday Times of London in an interview that in his humble opinion, black people are less intelligent than the White people.

Since then, some of us cannot hear anything else but the outrage of black people who feel demeaned by what Watson has said. So many people have called the man names. To be expected, some have said he is a racist. Some even wonder how a “foolish” man like Watson could have won the Nobel Prize. Even white people who, deep in their heart, agree with Watson want to be politically, correct so they condemn the man. Why are we blacks becoming so reactive, so sensitive to any remarks, no matter how well-meaning, about our failure as a race?

I do not know what constitutes intelligence. I leave that to our so-called scholars. But I do know that in terms of organising society for the benefit of the people living in it, we blacks have not shown any intelligence in that direction at all. I am so ashamed of this and sometimes feel that I ought to have belonged to another race. Nigeria my dear country is a prime example of the inferiority of the black race when compared to other races. Let somebody please tell me whether it is a manifestation of intelligence if a people cannot organise a free, fair and credible election to choose who will lead them.

Is it intelligence that we cannot provide simple pipe-borne water for the people? Our public school system has virtually collapsed. Is that a sign of intelligence? Our roads are impassable. In spite of the numerous sources that nature has made available to us to tap for energy to run our industries and homes, we have no steady supply of electricity. Yet electricity is the bedrock of industrialisation. When you agree with the school of Watson , some say you are incorrect because all these failures are a result of poor leadership. Why must it be us blacks who must always suffer poor leadership? Is that not a manifestation of unintelligence?

In the name of international trade, bilateral co-operation, globalisation and other subterfuges, the norm in the world today is for smart people to appropriate the wealth of other people for themselves and their countries. But more among the blacks than any other race, the practice is to steal from their own country and salt away to other people’s country. Is it intelligence that our leaders steal billions of naira and hide in other people’s country?

Anywhere in the world today where you have a concentration of black people among other races, the poorest, the least educated, the least achieving, and the most violent group among those races will be the blacks. When indices of underdevelopment are given, black people and countries are sure to occupy the bottom of the ladder. If we are intelligent, why do we not carry first when statistics of development are given?

Look at the African continent. South Africa is the most developed country because of the presence of whites there. This may be an uncomfortable truth for many of us but it exists nevertheless. If the whites had been driven away after independence, we would have seen a steady decline of that country.

In terms of natural endowment, Africa ought to be the richest of the continents but see the mess we have made of the potential for greatness which God in his infinite wisdom has bestowed upon us. We have proved totally incapable of harnessing the abundant natural resources to become great. Today, there is a renewed scramble for the wealth of Africa China, our new “friend”, does not bother about the genocide against fellow blacks in the Sudan by the Arabs who control the affairs of that country. They say they do not want to interfere in the internal affairs of any country. All they want is the oil in Sudan to run their industries. Yet, we blacks have not seen the Chinese action as an affront to our sensitivities.

Every race takes us for granted because we are so weak and so foolish, if you permit me to say it.

I am really pained by our gross underachievement as a race. Instead of regarding bitter truths expressed by the likes of Watson as a wake-up call for us to engage in sober reflection, we take to the expression of woolly sentiment. For me, this type of reaction is a further evidence of our unintelligence. A man of intelligence recognises genuine criticism against him and takes steps to improve himself in order to prove his critics wrong. But for us blacks, our reaction is to abuse the man who expresses worries about our backwardness.

Other races are deeply worried about us because we are a problem to the world. We suffer from the five Ds: disorderliness, debts, diseases, deaths and disasters. Our disorderliness affects others or else they won’t be too bothered about us. Many are afraid because our diseases could infect them. Polio has been eradicated all over the world yet it is still found in Nigeria here. When they give us money to help us eradicate it, our thieving officials will embezzle the money; the virus will spread and endanger the health of not only our people but other people as well.

Out of a shared sense of humanity, some cannot bear to see how we die in thousands almost every day from clearly preventable diseases and causes. For years now, our people die extremely painful but perfectly preventable deaths from buildings which collapse because they were poorly constructed. How can you tell me we are as intelligent as others when we set traps for ourselves in the name of houses and others do not do so? Some people are extremely frustrated about us. If they have a way of avoiding us, they will be too glad to do so because we are a problem.

As I write this, I do so with great pains in my heart because I know that God has given intelligence in equal measure to all his children irrespective of the colour of their skin. The problem with us black people is that we have refused to use our intelligence to organise ourselves socially and politically. It should worry us that we do not invent things. We do not go to the moon. Our societies are not well-organised. We have the shortest lifespan of all the races. Something must be wrong with us. Why are we not like others? Our scholars will be quick to say that these are not the only ways of measuring intelligence. They will quote other scholars to adumbrate their point, but the fact remains that we are not showing intelligence. Others are showing it more than we’re doing. If they are not more intelligent than we are, let someone tell me how to put it.

God himself must be frustrated with his black children. They must be an embarrassment to him. He has given us everything he has given to other of his children; why are his black children not manifesting their own gift? A few years ago, the whites used to contemptuously call the Japanese “little Japs”. Today, the Japanese and other Asians have pulled themselves up by the bootstrap and have arrived. No one speaks of the Japanese or Asians with contempt anymore. When people like Watson speak about us in unedifying terms, we should take it as a challenge to prove them wrong by sitting down to plan how we can become world-beaters.

If our political leaders are the reason for our backwardness, we should resolve to get the kind of leaders who will be instrument for our rapid progress. I may not know how intelligence is measured but my limited knowledge of intelligence is that it can also be measured by the kind of leaders a people decide to have. If, for instance, our professors preside over the massive rigging of elections, it means that we do not have very intelligent professors. Such rigged elections will no doubt produce unintelligent leaders. Such unintelligent leaders will do stupid things which will prove that we are not as intelligent as other races. Do I sound confusing or intelligent?

I am ready for some of our ‘patriotic’ intellectuals who will write and abuse me for the ‘outrage’ I have expressed here but I stick to my guns: we lack intelligence and as stated in the Bible, anyone who lacks intelligence should cry unto God who is the custodian of wisdom to bestow some upon him. We should go on our knees today and ask God why we do not appear as intelligent as our other brothers. I am confident God will reveal to us what we must do, and urgently too, to change our terribly unflattering circumstances.

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Its actually not a fantastic argument, you are apparently easily impressed and potentially biased:p. Whilst those "neo-apartheid architects" insist that there is no difference that does not mean that we do not have the imbalances resulting from apartheid policies. Those policies have greated imbalances across the racial divides and thats what AA & BEE seeks to address. Read the posts above this for more details.

As an apologist for the neo-apartheid architects you should have a pretty good feel for the next arguement. That is that the ANC can't fix everything in the measly 14 years. But the ANC expects skill and competency to be equally addressed across the entire population overnight.

So instead of seeing this as a long term project the ANC would rather jeopardise those parts of the country that do work. And if it has the benefit of feathering a few nests, well why not?
 
Without whites, this country has no future.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

It's a great big white world.

Heavy statement, I would rather say the whites have a stronger sense of economic gain (If that is a good thing).

Regarding the white world, it’s actually crashing on same separatist self indulging approach of apartheid that put it there in the first place.

If I may suggest, we should embrace our African culture to indulge in the one constant in life = change.

Watch ZEITGEIST…Money <> life sustainability
 
The only difference between the races is that one race was afforded opportunity and a good quality of life, and the other wasn't. The "neo-Apartheid architects" are not discriminating on something the "Apartheid architects" were (something on a biological level).

Oh nonsense! You know that the discrimination was based on the belief that there were differences. It wasn't the mere idea that some should have and the others shouldn't. (Although there was some pretty awful laws to entrench that - but that's politicians for you).

And then precisely right - the neo-arpartheid architects are discriminating on nothing. There is no basis whatsoever for their arguement.

If they want to discriminate based on the fact that some people benefited from apartheid then let them quantify that and then discriminate to the extent that we have equality. Oh, sorry that's impossible.

But continue with the arguements from the school of 'two wrongs make a right".
 
Heavy statement, I would rather say the whites have a stronger sense of economic gain (If that is a good thing).

Regarding the white world, it’s actually crashing on same separatist self indulging approach of apartheid that put it there in the first place.

If I may suggest, we should embrace our African culture to indulge in the one constant in life = change.

Watch ZEITGEIST…Money <> life sustainability

Ja, still haven't seen Zeitgeist

I am just stating the facts.

I actually shoulda said "Fore-seeable" future.

It is not about liking something, its about accepting it because its true. Nothing more counter productive than denial.

Everything is about money..
 
This thread reminds me of Eishkom and many town councils work-around the skills shortage - they employ the skills recruited from places (mainly UK) on contract - costs a fortune, but hey, we can be milked.
 
Since you make the answer seem so easy. Please answer these questions for me:

Where must these new managers come from? You need to find the right fit for a job. Sticking someone who is not qualified into the position could have a devastating effect on a business.

The CEE commissioned the HSRC to conduct a study in order to illustrate trends in the supply of formal tertiary qaulifications, and while the results of this study is yet to be released, it does conclude that there is very little merit in the assertion that qualified blacks and females are not out there.

Also a study by TNS research studies has found that white people are more likely to have changed jobs, thereby proving that job-hopping in South Africa is not a unique to black professionals.

Now these studies disprove the perceptions mentioned in other posts, these perceptions are fuelled by anecdotal evidence, some far from the truth, the studies are based on scientific methodologies, and bear far more weight than little stories
 
What everybody seems to be ignoring amid all the noise is that unless the education system starts producing the raw materials - black matriculants with good passes in maths and science - for universities and businesses to turn into skilled workers, all the targets in the world will mean nothing.

You simply cannot make bricks without straw, no matter how much the legislation tells you to do so.

http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=4614280

That sums it up nicely for me. Xterminator you say AA should be pushed even harder, yet mention NOTHING about education. Awesome attitude to have. Take a good look at Eskom - prime example of AA being forced, when replacements had zero skill. Do you want the entire country to become the same? Everything to go down the tube, just so we can exactly match population statistics with senior management positions. Anyone with half a brain can see its utter rubbish
 
Blacks in the US have more education than the US whites, much more than our whites, our whites have an IQ of 94, while there blacks have an average IQ of 85.

They are certainly not easy to 'equalize' and even if it was, two points lower IQ in society has a huge impact on society and the economy.

http://www.isteve.com/IQ_table.htm


Ah I remember when that book was published (IQ and the Wealth of Nations). It was completely derided by the experts.
 
there is nothing wrong with separatism, only in some of the ways in which it is achieved. if everyone is paying taxes to the same government then there can't be separatism, but if people have different countries then there can, to add you can also not just chase people away either, the only way is to block people out in the first place, and make deals with those already inside to leave on there own will, and the separatism only goes about races, not about politics, ie you can't legalize child rape or something, just across the border, rape is wrong universally.

Good Argument, I think that is what democracy is trying to achieve, but maybe we need to define a new government business model.
 
The CEE commissioned the HSRC to conduct a study in order to illustrate trends in the supply of formal tertiary qaulifications, and while the results of this study is yet to be released, it does conclude that there is very little merit in the assertion that qualified blacks and females are not out there.

Also a study by TNS research studies has found that white people are more likely to have changed jobs, thereby proving that job-hopping in South Africa is not a unique to black professionals.

Now these studies disprove the perceptions mentioned in other posts, these perceptions are fuelled by anecdotal evidence, some far from the truth, the studies are based on scientific methodologies, and bear far more weight than little stories

Qualification (rubberstamping) does not necessarily suggest actual effective production and being enabled.

I agree with the job hopping, but that is a good thing. If you are treated like a tool, you will react like one.
 
http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=4614280

That sums it up nicely for me. Xterminator you say AA should be pushed even harder, yet mention NOTHING about education. Awesome attitude to have. Take a good look at Eskom - prime example of AA being forced, when replacements had zero skill. Do you want the entire country to become the same? Everything to go down the tube, just so we can exactly match population statistics with senior management positions. Anyone with half a brain can see its utter rubbish

Agree, we should be focus on making ourselves sustainable.
 
This opens an interesting philosophical debate.

To persist with differentiation on the basis of skin colour means that there must be s difference between the races. So for years we have had people insisting that there is no difference between the races. Yet today we have those that are most vocal in insisting that there is no difference also being the most vocal in insisting that there is a difference and that black people should have a greater role in corporations.

So we had apartheid architects who insisted that there was a difference and discriminated on that basis. Now we have neo-apartheid architects who insist that there is no difference and yet continue to discriminate on the basis of something that isn't there.

I wonder how such confused people contine to exist? It does go someway to explaining some of the carnage on the roads - they are oblivious to pedestrian crossings.

Liberals for you. Always getting confused :rolleyes:. Also trying to be portrayed as the saviour of black people by supporting their rights and affirmative action yet they don't realise they're the real racists themselves by supporting such policies.
 
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