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What happened to the Rhodes University scholarship that was for boys only (Because Rhodes was homosexual). Didnt it get changed to allow woman as well?
 
Nerfherder said:
They do give bursaries and scholarships to people of all races... i'm not sure what planet you are living on.
All big universities give money to students based on their marks regardless of colour. There are also a lot of private scholarships and those are given to pretty much anyone who they feel deserves it.
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So you have first hand experience I note, unlike people like me living in the real world. That is what they claim/say but then they apply priorities and as 95%+ are of the right gene pool to qualify for the above it mostly excludes other races as they end up on "waiting" lists. Quaint. Glad you believe the ideal scenario painted.
 
davemc said:
LOL @ Government trying to dictate who a dead person spends his money on.
Pathetic waste of time and money.
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perhaps you should read the article before making inane comments. this is the University itself going to court to get the fund amended, government has nothing to do with it. All there in the first 2 paragraphs.... LOL @ you....
 
Byrd said:
Nerfherder - You are incorrect. Universities are required to follow directives to redress imbalances caused by historical circumstance.

Pretty much? Why include that term? Why do they not TOTALY free to give private scholarships to anyone who they find deserves it?

And while we are talking anout racism - What about Nedbanks Racist shareholder offer?
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No i'm not incorrect... both my wife and sister received money from their universities while studying... they are both Lilly white.

Pretty much ? I used it for effect... get over it. Yes they can give the bursaries who ever the **** they want... pretty much.

As for Nedbank, their share offer will cost them a fortune, im not sure if I want to fund it either so might just take my business elsewhere. Its a very expensive way of redistributing wealth but as some one who is still befitting from Apartheid I think its not the worst way of doing it.
 
racer said:
perhaps you should read the article before making inane comments. this is the University itself going to court to get the fund amended, government has nothing to do with it. All there in the first 2 paragraphs.... LOL @ you....
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Last time I checked the Courts work for and are paid by the government... not the university. LOL @ you...

It was the court who wrongly decided the matter.
 
Rhodes' original aim with the Scholarship, and subsequent changes

An early change was the elimination of the scholarships for Germany during World Wars I and II. No German scholars were chosen from 1914 to 1929, nor from 1940 to 1969.[13] Also, between the wars, for political and propaganda reasons Erich Vermehren was prevented by the German government from taking up a Rhodes Scholarship.[citation needed]
Rhodes' bequest was whittled down considerably in the first decades after his death, as various scholarship trustees were forced to pay taxes upon their own deaths. A change occurred in 1929, when an Act of Parliament established a fund separate from the original proceeds of Rhodes' will.[citation needed] This made it possible to expand the number of scholarships. For example, between 1993 and 1995, scholarships were extended to other countries in the European Community.
Because the Sex Discrimination Act 1975 in the United Kingdom did not affect wills, it took another Act of Parliament to change the Rhodes' will to extend selection criteria in 1977 to include women.[citation needed]
For at least its first 75 years, scholars usually studied for a Bachelor of Arts degree. While that remains an option, more recent scholars usually study for an advanced degree.[citation needed]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodes_Scholarship

Has this not happened before, with the Rhodes Scholarship? Instead of it being black and white it was boy and girl.
 
racer said:
perhaps you should read the article before making inane comments. this is the University itself going to court to get the fund amended, government has nothing to do with it. All there in the first 2 paragraphs.... LOL @ you....
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I did read the article, I always do before commenting, thanks for laughing.

Now, who runs the University of KwaZulu-Natal?
 
davemc said:
I did read the article, I always do before commenting, thanks for laughing.

Now, who runs the University of KwaZulu-Natal?
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Exactly. Less than 5% of white scholars would benefit from that bursary in future if the law is changed. So many more white squatters will be generated and be left destitute. At least Zuma can visit the new Zoo's and look at them again, making more false promises.
 
Garyvdh said:
Last time I checked the Courts work for and are paid by the government... not the university. LOL @ you...

It was the court who wrongly decided the matter.
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Nonsense. The post I replied to implied that this was the government interfering with a fund, when its clearly not. Court officials might be paid by the government, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything here.....

There are 2 sides to this:

"The university argued that while the bequest was "enlightened" at the time, South Africa was now radically transformed and the university itself had anti-discrimination policies. It said the bequest, in its present terms, was not in the public interest."

"But the curators - advocates Douglas Shaw, QC, and Andrea Gabriel - point to the constitutional right of freedom of testation and the choice of an individual to dispose freely of their property in death..."

I think that both sides make a strong case, and it will be interesting to see what the Supreme Court decides. I think this one will ultimately go all the way to the Constitutional Court...

So I stand by my post that the "LOL @ Government trying to dictate who a dead person spends his money on" comment was stupid.

LOL @ you too :)
 
davemc said:
Now, who runs the University of KwaZulu-Natal?
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The university is governed in accordance with the Higher Education Act [5], and the constitution of the university is specified in the Statute of the University of KwaZulu-Natal,[6] as approved by the South African Minister of Education and the Parliament of South Africa.

In terms of the statute, the university consists of:

* the chancellor (the titular head). The first chancellor of the merged university was Dr Frene Ginwala. It is currently Dr Zweli Mkhize.
* the vice chancellor (the executive head)
* two or more deputy vice chancellors (currently there are five full and one acting) [7]
* the registrar (responsible for registering students)
* the council (responsible for governance of the institution as a whole)
* the senate (responsible for governance of academic activities)
* the students representative council (responsible for students representation)
* the institutional forum (responsible for advising the council on matters of human rights and equality)
* the colleges (currently there are four)
* the academic and support staff
* the students
* the convocation (all the alumni and some others)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_KwaZulu-Natal
 
I get your drift racer.

But, am I wrong in saying that: If the court ruling is upheld, then, the law of this country will in effect be have been modified to the effect that you cannot decide to spend your money in a discriminatory fashion.

Something that is quite damn interesting.
 
Nerfherder said:
No i'm not incorrect... both my wife and sister received money from their universities while studying... they are both Lilly white.

Pretty much ? I used it for effect... get over it. Yes they can give the bursaries who ever the **** they want... pretty much.

As for Nedbank, their share offer will cost them a fortune, im not sure if I want to fund it either so might just take my business elsewhere. Its a very expensive way of redistributing wealth but as some one who is still befitting from Apartheid I think its not the worst way of doing it.
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then explain why 3 years ago, my white friend applied for dentistry, got an 85% average with 5 distinctions in matric, got declined. But my black friend with 2 distinctions got accepted ?

its not hard to get a "varsity bursary" those are on merit, but do me a favour, come to UJ in the beginning of the year, there is a whole centre for bursaries for the previously disadvantaged, with queues for miles ! Can i also not pay fee's cause i was previously disadvantaged ? no!
 
davemc said:
But, am I wrong in saying that: If the court ruling is upheld, then, the law of this country will in effect be have been modified to the effect that you cannot decide to spend your money in a discriminatory fashion.

Something that is quite damn interesting.
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Not wrong, private bursaries will be hugely affected.

The best the bursary/ trust can be ammended to is to stipulate "English speaking girls of British/South African descent, and Afrikaans speaking girls of Dutch/South African descent" and drop the term "European".
The most important thing is that is a private trust, private trusts should have the right to stipulate certain criteria.
What about a trust set up by religious organisations? You are not a member of a particular faith so you dont qualify, same thing .......discriminatory
 
racer said:
Nonsense. The post I replied to implied that this was the government interfering with a fund, when its clearly not. Court officials might be paid by the government, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything here.....

So I stand by my post that the "LOL @ Government trying to dictate who a dead person spends his money on" comment was stupid.

LOL @ you too :)
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The courts take their policy from the government, so does the university. They are pretty much dictated to and controlled by government policy. They cannot act against it and will always follow it.

Hence their decision to pursue this case and the courts finding in line with the government policy. Really not that hard to follow.

So the comment "LOL @ the government trying to dictate" is spot on. That is exactly what is happening here.

I would not be surprised if the directive to investigate the policies of trust funds and bursaries came directly from the department of Education.
 
Changing the intent behind a will is a stupid thing to do. The man gave money wishing for it to be used for X. You cannot now through a court change his wishes, no matter how wrong you may think they are.

Yes it is exclusionary, but it was his wish at the time. We have no right to change that. Respect this man's autonomy and honour his desire as to how his money should be spent.

There are plenty of bursaries in existence that are for previously disadvantaged individuals only. This excludes white persons. How are those bursaries fair and this wish not fair?
 
porchrat said:
Changing the intent behind a will is a stupid thing to do. The man gave money wishing for it to be used for X. You cannot now through a court change his wishes, no matter how wrong you may think they are.

Yes it is exclusionary, but it was his wish at the time. We have no right to change that. Respect this man's autonomy and honour his desire as to how his money should be spent.

There are plenty of bursaries in existence that are for previously disadvantaged individuals only. This excludes white persons. How are those bursaries fair and this wish not fair?
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Because the one favours whites and the other blacks.

Should we now go out to the pharmacy and take all the "black like me" products off the shelf because they target only one racial group and the founder of the business wanted to create a product line that benefits black people?

It's a dumb policy and a dumb finding by the courts. Leave people's wills alone. It's a serious invasion of personal rights and opens the way for future abuse.
 
davemc said:
I get your drift racer.

But, am I wrong in saying that: If the court ruling is upheld, then, the law of this country will in effect be have been modified to the effect that you cannot decide to spend your money in a discriminatory fashion.

Something that is quite damn interesting.
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yes interesting indeed. that's why i think this will go all the way to the ConCourt and will be very interesting to see how it pans out....
 
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