White people should remember SA's past.

[icyrus]

You see folks. It's statements like the one's above that will lead to the downfall of all us as whites in this country... It's sad that a handful of right wingers are going to destroy it all. Statements like the one above only invite and incite right wing responses from the opposite spectrum. When you're outnumbered in a country by atleast 1:8 you need to chose how you voice your opinions...

And here I thought we had freedom of speech...?

 

[mapstar]

and naive.

Who's Naive, a person in minority willing to accept their position in society and do their best or a person who's trying to hold on to old ideals that have no place in todays South African society ? Don't waste time putting little one liners - if you don't have anything intelligent to say. Don't respond to this in mad furry either because that's all you can up with, take some time to think about it (maybe even day) and come up with an intelligent!

 

[pupa]

BB_Matt - ......and whites shouldn't have a say in this. ....... Do you even know what you are saying apparently not, are you drunk?

5. With land reform, the government has at least made an effort to compensate white farmers for their land. I far cry from what the settlers did originally whereby kicking off, killing or enslaving was the means. This is our heritage as whites and we need to except it.

Our heritage is to be part of the country, part of the solution. Wake up boy!

You're are such a bloody fool! Shame

On the topic of crime: Crime isn't a racial matter, but more class matter. Blacks and Whites are both victims of crime. Poverty breeds insanity, and that's the nature of the crime gripping the country now. Everyone is victim, not just us lowly whites (is this what you think of yourself, No wonder!). There was always going to be some form of backlash to a repressive system like Apartheid - the question is would you have preferred civil war or crime as that backlash? Now but I do not prefer whats happening now, wait till you're raped or injured because you are white. Look at the statistics there is a higher incidence of violent crime towards whites than and others than against blacks. Look at the killing in Newcastle, we do not yet know all the details but could only guess!

Catch a wake or a cold boy! We all hope for the better but where is it going to come from?

 

[mapstar]

And here I thought we had freedom of speech...?

Very insightul Incyrus. Freedom of speech is a right, right wing banter is a dangerous - especially where there's no leverage it also, only leads to an equal and opposite force - cause and effect! The only problem is that as whites we won't be able to withstand the affect - so I'm urging people to think before they talk, it's in all our best interests....

 

[pupa]

Who's Naive, a person in minority willing to accept their position in society and do their best or a person who's trying to hold on to old ideals that have no place in todays South African society ? Don't waste time putting little one liners - if you don't have anything intelligent to say. Don't respond to this in mad furry either because that's all you can up with, take some time to think about it (maybe even day) and come up with an intelligent!

A person that think so lowly of himself that can just as well creep in a corner and desist. No backbone neither fibre! You already gave up so why bother to comment here. Go to a shebeen and see how long you're sorry @ss remains a virgin, then post here again and fill in the details

 

[icyrus]

Who's Naive, a person in minority willing to accept their position in society and do their best or a person who's trying to hold on to old ideals that have no place in todays South African society ? Don't waste time putting little one liners - if you don't have anything intelligent to say. Don't respond to this in mad furry either because that's all you can up with, take some time to think about it (maybe even day) and come up with an intelligent!

What exactly do you see as "your position in society"?

 

[dominic]

And here I thought we had freedom of speech...?

we do - obviously

we also lack the responsibility and judgement to know when to keep quiet or say something differently - also obviously

simple equation - with freedom comes responsibility

to go back to the article and leave aside the recurring myadsl race chatter - this guy could have stood up and said

"fsck whitey - they cannot be bothered to learn about our history so we cannot be bothered to fit them into our future"

instead he says he and his organisation did not do enough to include the white youth and they want to mobilise everyone as the youth

whatever your leanings are is it not possible to see that this is a very positive thing to say?

 

[pupa]

Very insightul Incyrus. Freedom of speech is a right, right wing banter is a dangerous - especially where there's no leverage it also, only leads to an equal and opposite force - cause and effect! The only problem is that as whites we won't be able to withstand the affect - so I'm urging people to think before they talk, it's in all our best interests....

You see so naive, I am no right winger, despised them as much as I despise those that damage the country under the banner of the Law and GVT, Its all in your simplistic mind. Anybody that does not agree with the GVT and their Youth actions (Black right-wingers) is suddenly white right-wingers. Clearly you are still mommas little baby, still have a lot to learn! Shame!

 

[nocilah]

Who's Naive, a person in minority willing to accept their position in society and do their best or a person who's trying to hold on to old ideals that have no place in todays South African society ? Don't waste time putting little one liners - if you don't have anything intelligent to say. Don't respond to this in mad furry either because that's all you can up with, take some time to think about it (maybe even day) and come up with an intelligent!

btw, 'furry' is spelt fury, unless you meant er... furry.

who said i am holding onto old ideals? or are you just assuming? Is it with this same assumption that you think knowledge is the same as intelligence?

if you think, because you are part of a minority, you should behave as part of one i am interested to know what that means?

minority? if anything i hope your thoughts and feelings of whites in this country are a minority.

You remind me of those jews during the holocaust who probably said more a less the same thing when hitler's anti-sematic speeches started getting famous. i bet they wished they took action earlier instead of laying low, which is what you are trying to say.

hence you are naive.

 

[mapstar]

Pupa,

I'm not going to write posts if they're going to replied by cowboy rhetoric. Honestly. Why as a white guy would I want to go to Shabeen? Please take some time to put through some thought provoking posts and not trash.

Do you see blacks making noise in Europe or trying to influence politics in the US? Do you see Asians or Latino's doing the same. The answer is probably no... The fact of the matter is, and this applies to all countries, is that as a minority you have to take a back seat sometimes and enjoy the benefits of the country you're inhabiting. If you see no benefits here, then leave. In fact I don't know why you haven't left already. My suspicion is that you don't have the resources - which is a pity. Work hard to find these resources and leave. Then ofcourse you'll be trully happy right? In a country where their only whites, no natives etc... You'll have social security, you can leave your door unlocked, you'll have broadband at wonderful price etc... Go chase your utopia - because you're not going to find it here. This country doesn't need you and it won't miss you when you're gone either. Follow your dreams!

 

[pupa]

we do - obviously

we also lack the responsibility and judgement to know when to keep quiet or say something differently - also obviously

simple equation - with freedom comes responsibility

to go back to the article and leave aside the recurring myadsl race chatter - this guy could have stood up and said

"fsck whitey - they cannot be bothered to learn about our history so we cannot be bothered to fit them into our future"

instead he says he and his organisation did not do enough to include the white youth and they want to mobilise everyone as the youth

whatever your leanings are is it not possible to see that this is a very positive thing to say?

So what does the heading means in Your view Dominic? Based on recent comments from the same side as well as some GVT rhetoric it is clear. Whites must apologise, we are settlers, etc etc. They want us to take the mood of the Mapstar comments, then they will do with us as they please! They donny want you to be part of the solution they want you to bend onto your knees, Mapstar already did!

 

[pupa]

Prolly is a Jew, nothing against them they should have fought for their rights as they do today, Millions to late! but anyway!

Mapstar thanks for your naive thoughts but no thanks! We are part of this country and should be recognized as such. We have our roots here as anyone in any other country. The sooner the GVT realize that and set things right the sooner this rhetoric will fade and be gone. But with reverse racism and your attitude this country is a goner!

 

[kilps]

This makes me think firstly of what me as a student is exposed to - having just covered the american and french revolutions as well as slavery and colonization I get that strange feeling that my textbook is trying to make me feel guilty, besides this it is ridiculously 'liberal' and hardly offers a propper view on any situation - for example, the french revolution - when comparing the text book to other notes and online content I can't help but get the feeling that the crimes of the french upper class are overplayed and the crimes of the leaders of the revolution during the terror are underplayed.

The point of mentioning is that our education is teaching us to move towards some sort of liberalism - but that is irrelevant .

The real reason I mentioned my history classes is because I remember doing a DoE required 'Heritage Investigation' - and the point is that everything which happened in our countries history did actually happen, and we cannot forget it - what I my feeling is is that the part which the settlers played is being undermined, they still played a huge part in our history.

Unfortunately, these facts are true :

South Africa IS a black country, owned by the black inhabitants who have more claim to it than white people, no matter what. It is Africa after all

Let them have it, lets see what they do with it when they've chased all the white people away

But the things is, South Africa is not just a black country - remember the rainbow nation concept?

The whites of this country cannot be just expected to drop everything and join everyone else in their customs - there is a culture difference which will be ironed out with time

sorry about the badly thought out post

 

[icyrus]

we do - obviously

we also lack the responsibility and judgement to know when to keep quiet or say something differently - also obviously

simple equation - with freedom comes responsibility

to go back to the article and leave aside the recurring myadsl race chatter - this guy could have stood up and said

"fsck whitey - they cannot be bothered to learn about our history so we cannot be bothered to fit them into our future"

instead he says he and his organisation did not do enough to include the white youth and they want to mobilise everyone as the youth

whatever your leanings are is it not possible to see that this is a very positive thing to say?

Yes it was. I have no problems with the article. I just wish more was done about the future than the past.

Its great to say we must mobilise the white youth in remembering and celebrating the past, but at the same time the government does its best to alienate them by limiting their future.

 

[dominic]

So what does the heading means in Your view Dominic? Based on recent comments from the same side as well as some GVT rhetoric it is clear. Whites must apologise, we are settlers, etc etc. They want us to take the mood of the Mapstar comments, then they will do with us as they please! They donny want you to be part of the solution they want you to bend onto your knees, Mapstar already did!

the heading is added by a sh1tty sub-editor somewhere at IOL and is there to draw interest - it is not really an accurate reflection on what is said in the article...this is a fairly common occurence in newspapers

pupa - i think it is easy to fall into the negative. i happen to consider what the guy said as being well-balanced and the bitterness makes me concerned that, as you *say* in your first post in this thread, you don't need to read the article, this is what you remember

i am happy that i have nothing to apologise for
i do have plenty that i need to acknowledge and try to get to grips with and this i am happy to do - that is my reality

 

[nocilah]

Do you see blacks making noise in Europe or trying to influence politics in the US? Do you see Asians or Latino's doing the same. The answer is probably no...

okay... which forumite is mapstar... come on ajax? pupa? which one, no possible person can make such naive comments unless they are just trying to create waves tonight?

i mean seriously the above quoted comment has 'naive' and 'ignorant' stamped all over it. no real seemingly educated person would say that.

 

[JStrike]

This is getting ridiculous. I know (and loathe) Ajak's intentions, but why do you come and post things that are clearly offensive to people that love this new nation (No, not just the land, but the people and the culture). If you dispise us so much, why not just leave to one of those countries you always prattle on about?

Now, if you want to talk contructive critism and start balancing your views, then it is a different story

 

[icyrus]

Do you see blacks making noise in Europe or trying to influence politics in the US? Do you see Asians or Latino's doing the same. The answer is probably no... The fact of the matter is, and this applies to all countries, is that as a minority you have to take a back seat sometimes and enjoy the benefits of the country you're inhabiting. If you see no benefits here, then leave. In fact I don't know why you haven't left already. My suspicion is that you don't have the resources - which is a pity. Work hard to find these resources and leave. Then ofcourse you'll be trully happy right? In a country where their only whites, no natives etc... You'll have social security, you can leave your door unlocked, you'll have broadband at wonderful price etc... Go chase your utopia - because you're not going to find it here. This country doesn't need you and it won't miss you when you're gone either. Follow your dreams!

Not all countries are divided by race.

 

[diabolus]

So essentially, we all know blacks love to live in the past as the "struggle" were their heyday. Now there's nothing left to conquer [except their own insecurity]
and they keep falling back to the days they actually had a purpose to generate a purpose!. It's like without us whites [to resist against] the blacks got the carpet pulled from under them and they are in a flat-spin going "huh? what now?

If i can sum it up, it's like a bad hangover after a party where you did alot of stupid things and having someone screaming very loudly afterwards while you're trying to sleep the hangover off.[You know where your ears makes that "piiiing" sound after a night of too loud music?...THAT is what it feels like to hear apartheid over and over! ]. My response in my hangoever state would probably be : "Shut the F up and leave me alone".

Anyway i am also young,white and naive and was still somewhere in high school when apartheid went poof, so for me apartheid almost did not exist. The only thing i remember of apartheid is these posters with the pipe-bombs and mines on them everwhere showing what to look out for in every trash can!

"Oh but crime rate is sky high -> blame the whites"
"Medical services are falling apart -> blame apartheid "
"Basic services are non existant -> lets blame them whites some more"
"Skills are dissapearing in droves -> freaking whites, lets' make them remember the past some more"

blah blah blah , don't look at me, FIX IT!

If every reporter wrote 1 article with suggestions on how to fix things for every guilt-tripping-apartheid-white-blaming article we would probably have world peace by now.

 

[dominic]

- it seems there is some balance in the force tonight -