Why Africa has gone to hell

Ronjay said:
LOL, those that think their Europe and America are so great and civilized. "No the Europeans and Americans are are not Warmongers" you say. Is that so? Okay then, how many wars have America been involved in in the last 50 years? War is not just an African phenomenon people, remember, USA and Briton are fighting wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as you type these words now. Remember that other shining example of "civilized" warfare where the Americans would just napalm villages because there was suspected VC there.

Africa is a crap place alright, and America and Europe are richer countries that can do more for their citizens, but please don't make out that these places are innocent of genocide either, remember the holocaust? We, as Europeans are always quick to point fingers and say look at that African leader and what he does to his people, we forget that only 20 years ago we as a race where suppressing and discriminating and even killing in the name of Apartheid. As for corruption, don't think that the Apartheid government wasn't corrupt. They only needed to keep a very small part of the citizenry happy so we didn't no how much money was being "mislaid".

I am not making excuses for anyone, all I'm saying is that we should stop looking at America and Europe as these shinning examples, they aren't. As a nation we should rather look to our selves. How can we do something to brake the cycle? What more can we do to change our narrow perceptions of others? I have to believe that as a nation, irrespective of race or religion or culture can do a lot to bring the changes that we need to go forward. Nelson Mandela began laying the framework, a pity that he did not come to power before his age began to work against him. Yes, his administration was imperfect, it was riddled with bad economics, heavy crime and the stupidity that is the rest of the ANC. But his compassion for all South Africans, in my book is what is missing now. Unfortunately all this is undone now by the fools that have been put in power. Lets hope that the citizens can finally see that ANC is failing and look for a better alternative.
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Look that maybe so but the british or americans are not going on about how the whites must kill the Arabs or Pakistanis or even the africans who live in there country. And that excludes the noe nazis as they have no power.
 
seventhson said:
Look that maybe so but the british or americans are not going on about how the whites must kill the Arabs or Pakistanis or even the africans who live in there country. And that excludes the noe nazis as they have no power.
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I know, but again, we as a nation find it easier to look to others, sit and watch, and do nothing. The Americans aren't going to do anything to stop the BS that is happening in our country, that is our job, but we don't do anything. I believe just as much as the ANC supporters have been conditioned into believing the ANC are their only option so, we have been conditioned into a state of non-action. We seem to believe that if we sit still in a hookie and make no noises that we are invisible and out of harms way. The truth is, the voice is the most powerful weapon we have. It brought down apartheid, it can bring down this new threat to unity and peace too. But I'm wasting my breath, we will all continue b!tching and moaning but continue with the tradition of inaction as well.
 
Ronjay said:
I know, but again, we as a nation find it easier to look to others, sit and watch, and do nothing. The Americans aren't going to do anything to stop the BS that is happening in our country, that is our job, but we don't do anything. I believe just as much as the ANC supporters have been conditioned into believing the ANC are their only option so, we have been conditioned into a state of non-action. We seem to believe that if we sit still in a hookie and make no noises that we are invisible and out of harms way. The truth is, the voice is the most powerful weapon we have. It brought down apartheid, it can bring down this new threat to unity and peace too. But I'm wasting my breath, we will all continue b!tching and moaning but continue with the tradition of inaction as well.
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I do agree with you there.
 
Gawain said:
started in the congo will end in sa we are the last ones in numbers left on the continent
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Amen brother. What if after the world cup use the stadiums to execute us:eek:. It has happened before can't think of the name of the country but after they had the world cup they used the stadiums to kill people.
 
Gawain said:
true i think it will since african history is predictable just the when and the how zim style or kenya / congo style
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The sad thing is African history repeats itself over and over in every country, this country will be no different. I am starting to understand the past a little better as i get older.
 
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If memory serves, the definition in law of a war is 50 people a day dying at the hands of a single group (not a flippen clue what book i read that in). The only reason SA is not considered to be in a state of civil war is that criminals are not a single group.

I mean the last conflict in the gaza strp they only killed 49 a day and that was considered a war.
 
friedpiggy said:
If memory serves, the definition in law of a war is 50 people a day dying at the hands of a single group (not a flippen clue what book i read that in). The only reason SA is not considered to be in a state of civil war is that criminals are not a single group.

I mean the last conflict in the gaza strp they only killed 49 a day and that was considered a war.
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Are you maybe thinking of Civil War:
James Fearon, a scholar of civil wars at Stanford University, defines a civil war as "a violent conflict within a country fought by organized groups that aim to take power at the center or in a region, or to change government policies". Ann Hironaka further specifies that one side of a civil war is the state. The intensity at which a civil disturbance becomes a civil war is contested by academics. Some political scientists define as civil war as having more than 1000 casualties, while others further specify that at least 100 must come from each side.
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I think civil war would also be defined by a lot of murders/deaths in a close proximity and all around the same time.
 
friedpiggy said:
If memory serves, the definition in law of a war is 50 people a day dying at the hands of a single group (not a flippen clue what book i read that in). The only reason SA is not considered to be in a state of civil war is that criminals are not a single group.

I mean the last conflict in the gaza strp they only killed 49 a day and that was considered a war.
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Oh, most definitely SA is in war like conditions when it comes to crime. And a criminal is a criminal so we should see them as a single group. As far as I'm concerned the violent crime in SA is pretty much instigated by government if not supported by it.
 
Cheri_N said:
Here is a very interesting article I read posted on a UK Discussion board. Makes you think, hey?

Why Africa Has Gone To Hell
by James Jackson on January 08, 2010

On the eve of this millennium, Nelson Mandela and friends lit candles mapping the shape of their continent and declared the Twenty-first Century would belong to Africa. A pity that for every one Mandela there are over a hundred Robert Mugabes.

Zimbabwe was just the latest African state to squander its potential, to swap civil society for civil strife and pile high its corpses. Then the wrecking virus moves on and a fresh spasm of violence erupts elsewhere. Congo, Ivory Coast, Sudan, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Zambia even Kenya. Take your pick, for it is the essence of Africa, the recurring A-Z of horror. And as surely as Nelson Mandela took those steps from captivity to freedom, his own country will doubtless shuffle into chaos and ruin.

Mark my words. One day it will be the turn of South Africa to revert to type, its farms that lie wasted and its towns that are battle zones, its dreams and expectations that lie rotting on the veldt. That is the way of things. Africa rarely surprises, it simply continues to appal.

When interviewed on BBC Radio, the legendary South African jazz musician Hugh Masekela spoke of the 350-year struggle for freedom by blacks in South Africa. The man might play his trumpet like a dream, but he talks arrant nonsense. What he has bought into is a false narrative that rewrites history and plays upon post-colonial liberal angst. The construct is as follows: white, inglorious and bad; black, noble and good; empire, bad; independence, good; the west, bad; the African, good.

Forgotten in all this is that while Europeans were settling and spreading from the Cape, the psychopathic Shaka Zulu was employing his impi to crush everyone-including the Xhosa-in his path, and the Xhosa were themselves busy slaughtering Bushmen and Hottentots. Yet it is the whites who take the rap, for it was they who won the skirmishes along the Fish and Blood Rivers and who eventually gained the prize. What suffers is the truth, and-of course-Africa. We are so cowed by the moist-eyed mantras of the left and the oath-laden platitudes of Bono and Geldof, we are forced to accept collective responsibility for the bloody mess that is now Africa. It paralyses us while excusing the black continent and its rulers.

Whenever I hear people agitate for the freezing of Third World debt, I want to shout aloud for the freezing of those myriad overseas bank accounts held by black African leaders (President Mobutu of Zaire alone is believed to have squirreled away well over $10 billion not to mention Mugabe). Whenever apartheid is held up as a blueprint for evil, I want to mention Bokassa snacking on human remains, Amin clogging a hydro-electric dam with floating corpses, the President of Equatorial Guinea crucifying victims along the roadway from his airport.

Whenever slavery is dredged up, I want to remind everyone the Arabs were there before us, the native Ashanti and others were no slouches at the game, and it remains extant in places like the Ivory Coast. Whenever I hear the Aids pandemic somehow blamed on western indifference, I want to point to the African native practice of dry sex, the hobby-like prevalence of rape and the clumps of despotic black leaders who deny a link between the disease and HIV and who block the provision of antiretrovirals.

And whenever Africans bleat of imperialism and colonialism, I want to campaign for the demolition of every road, college, and hospital we ever built to let them start again. It is time they governed themselves. Yet few play the victim card quite so expertly as black Africans; few are quite so gullible as the white liberal-left.

The white man's burden is guilt over Africa (the black man's is sentimentality), and we are blind for it. We have tipped hundreds of billions of aid-dollars into Africa without first ensuring proper governance. We encourage NGOs and food-parcels and have built a culture of dependency. We shy away from making criticism, tiptoe around the crassness of the African Union and flinch at every anti-western jibe.

The result is a free-for-all for every syphilitic black despot and his coterie of family functionaries. Africa casts a long and toxic shadow across our consciousness. It is patronised and allowed to underperform, so too its distant black diaspora. A black London pupil is excluded from his school, not because he is lazy, stupid or disruptive, but because that school is apparently racist; a black youth is pulled over by the police, not because black males commit over eighty percent of street crime, but because the authorities are somehow corrupted by prejudice. Thus the tale continues.

Excuse is everywhere and a sense of responsibility nowhere. You will rarely find either a black national leader in Africa or a black community leader in the west prepared to put up his hands and say It is our problem, our fault. Those who look to Africa for their roots, role-models and inspiration are worshipping false gods. And like all false gods, the feet are of clay, the snouts long and designed for the trough, and the torture-cells generally well-equipped.


Forgive my heretical belief that had a black instead of a white tribe earlier come to dominate South Africa, its opponents would not have been banished to Robben Island. They would have been butchered and buried there.

When asked about the problem of Africa, Harold Macmillan suggested building a high wall around the continent and every century or so removing a brick to check on progress. I suspect that over entire millennia, the view would prove bleak and unvarying.

On the eve of this millennium, Nelson Mandela and friends lit candles mapping the shape of their continent and declared the Twenty-first Century would belong to Africa. Whatever. Meantime, the vast natural resources have been frittered and agricultural production since independence has halved.

Visiting a state in West Africa a few years ago, I wandered onto a beach and marvelled at the golden sands and at the sunlight catching on the Atlantic surf. It allowed me to forget for a moment the local news that day of soldiers seizing a schoolboy and pitching him head-first into an operating cement-machine. Almost forget.

Then I spotted a group of villagers beating a stray dog to death for their sport. A metaphor of sorts for all that is wrong, another link in a word-association chain that goes something like Famine. Drought. Overpopulation. Deforestation.Conflict. Barbarism. Cruelty. Machetes. Child Soldiers. Massacres. Diamonds. Warlords.Tyranny. Corruption. Despair. Disease. Aids. Africa.

Africa remains the heart of darkness. Africa is hell.
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Yeah, that.
 
I was indeed thinking of civil war but since i went to a 40th birthday party last night and was suffering a bit and it was early this morning the brain hadn't quite kicked in yet. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it
 
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