Why do you pirate online?

I think piracy is here because people enjoy the pirating itself.

You know stick it to the Man. Take it away (piracy) and people will probably find innovative ways to stick it to the man again. I think the man should just turn his chick and be glad he walked away with some profit.
 
i think it comes down to pricing & delivery.
i first started downloading (pirating) music back in about 1997 or so.
this was not because i wanted it for free, it was a case of wanting it now.
Typically i would hear a song i liked & at some point would drive to the waterfront for example, go to a number of shops to find it was not in stock. So, apart from being bundled into an album, the rest of which i did not care for, but had to pay for, i would have to wait while it was ordered - by which time i lost interest.
So the answer was to download it (good old isdn).
 
Cannot be bothered with movies or music, however there are many series and documentaries that are not aired locally and if so i do not own the means to record them and they are not available to purchase through local outlets or online.
 
Give me Netflix, Hulu, and Zune Music Pass and I will be a happy chappy.

+100

if its affordable (and allows me to watch what i want when i want (without buffering), and sometime in the future at HD quality, then i will definately pay a monthly fee for such a service!!
 
I pirate seeing that I got better things to do, then wait for MNET to decide when to air my fav tv show. Plus its not pirating if you download it and delete it afterwards. Some people got confused with the difference
 
I pirate games just to play the story mode and then i'm done.

If pirating wasn't available, I would never have bought the games I have downloaded anyway.. and I haven't played a single one of my pirated games for more than 6 hours.. so what is the point of buying it in the first place?

A game like Battlefield 3 or something that will keep me entertained for a while I have no problem buying.

When it comes to TV shows, every single show I download is not available for viewing in SA nor has a way to pay for it legally online in SA.
 
Massie got my attention with this... First time I am kinda feeling what is on his mind... :)
 
Ironically I was reading this while I waited for a Android Gameloft gamepack to download from a pirate site, because its to much hassle/time to get the download links from gameloft for the games I bought legally :)
 
Lies, Damned Lies and Piracy

I’ve received a great response to my recent article discussing piracy published last week. It’s topped my comment and page view records, and sparked very interesting debates on the site here and across all forms of social media.

But there’s something that isn’t really addressed that’s been nagging me ever since I wrote the article. Everyone’s been congratulating me for “getting it” when it comes to the future of media and the best ways to fight piracy. In turn, they claim that the media companies are so archaic in their distribution models and practices, they’re killing themselves. But they’re not, are they? I think they “get it” too, they’re just choosing to ignore racing toward these obvious solutions because piracy really isn’t the huge threat to them they claim it to be.

To sum up my original point, I’m trying to get the message across that piracy is a service problem. If media companies start embracing easy to use digital methods of distribution, it’s the best way to combat piracy. You might not be able to ever beat “free,” but you sure as hell can compete with “easy.”

Instead, the entertainment industry is just simply trying to wipe piracy off the face of the earth with internet censoring legislation like the recent SOPA and PIPA bills. What they fail to realize is that piracy is not something you can actually kill. It’s a hydra that will only get more powerful the longer and harder you try to find it.

What’s bothering me however, goes beyond these first few issues. It cuts to the very core of the claim that piracy is hurting the industry in a significant fashion. I’m thinking the real reason that the media companies haven’t adjusted to a digital distribution model isn’t because they’re moronic and slow. Multi-billion dollar companies usually aren’t. Rather, I believe the huff over piracy is way, way more smoke than fire, and if you were to actually look at the numbers, the entertainment industry isn’t suffering the way they claim they are at the hands of file-sharers.

What got me thinking about this was a recent article from our own E.D. Kain. He cites a game developer who complains about high piracy rates on the PC.

The rule applies to all entertainment industries, not just gaming. If piracy is so rampant and bent on destroying the industry, why have we not seen significant impact on the industry itself? Looking at Hollywood specifically, over the last ten years, as online piracy has risen, you would imagine a stark decline in box office receipts as all these murderous pirates watch films online instead of shelling out $5-15 to see a movie in theaters. But here they are:

2011 – $10.17B
2010 - $10.56B
2009 - $10.59B
2008 - $9.60B
2007 - $9.66B
2006 - $9.21B
2005 - $8.84B
2004 - $9.38B
2003 - $9.23B
2002 - $9.14B
2001 - $8.41B


There are ups, and there are downs, but in general it’s been an upward trend, with the last few years specifically seeing higher returns than ever for the industry. Additionally yes, DVD and Blu-ray sales are dropping, but digital sales have been skyrocketing, despite lackluster distribution channels. Also, keep in mind this is in the middle of a rather large recession accompanied by massive unemployment. Still, the numbers go up.

The same is true for the video game industry, often plagued by piracy, but it’s grown by leaps and bounds over the years. TV is moving online more than perhaps any other medium with things like Netflix streaming and Hulu, but yet channels keep debuting shows that blow away their old records.

So what’s going on here?

The problem is the overstatement of piracy’s effects. The idiotic rule of thumb in the industry is that one download equals one lost sale, and as such they are able to compute HUGE losses for themselves with download statistics. Using this sort of logic, the entertainment industry has claimed that despite record profits and returns, piracy is taking a giant chunk out of their bottom line.

The problem is that this assumes that A) people who pirate media have not already consumed that media legally and B) people who pirate media would have paid for it if piracy was not an alternative option

It’s just not accurate to claim the piracy is significantly hurting industry profits as the metric being used is not a fair or reasonable guess at sales lost from illegal downloads. You know what IS hurting industry profits? I’ll show you:

Green Lantern – Net Loss : $105M
The Big Year - Net Loss: $33M
Trespass - Net Loss: $29M
Mars Needs Moms – Net Loss: $136M


And that’s just from 2011. I would argue that releasing crappy movies has a far greater effect on the film industry bottom line than piracy ever could. Similar things happen when a hyped TV show bombs or an anticipated game is a letdown. Companies don’t rise and fall due to piracy, but they do based on the quality of the products they release.

The point I’m trying to make is that piracy is not this mammoth specter killing the entire entertainment industry like they would have you believe. I am not saying that there has never been a dollar or job lost because of it, nor am I encouraging the illegal practice in the least, but the natural ebbs and flows of the industry with big hits and misses are far more significant than miniscule piracy loses among a specific, young, tech-savvy group who knows how to get their media for free.

Just look around you. Call of Duty just broke every sales record on earth, AGAIN. Pay-channel HBO has found HUGE success with an incredibly high cost drama, Game of Thrones. Universal is making a $200M feature film based around the BATTLESHIP BOARD GAME.

If the industry is struggling, I just don’t see it, as their projects are getting bigger and more costly with each passing year. When a movie bombs or a show gets cancelled, no one ever says “oh, well, piracy.” Rather, it’s the quality of the product that accounts for such failures. Even with relatively high piracy rates across all forms of media, we’re still seeing blockbuster films, shows and games released at a higher rate than ever, and profits to match.

I think the media industries would love to kill piracy with a quick piece of legislation that blacks out every torrent site on the internet, but I don’t think they want to fight it so much that they’ll change their entire distribution model on a dime, which would actually go a long way toward truly competing with piracy. The reason things are the way they are is because they’re working. Despite the fact that even though yes, every piece of media is available on the internet for free somewhere, people are still buying.

So stop complaining. I’ll see you at the digital age when you decide it finally suits you, but until then, don’t act like you need to censor the internet in order to save your industry. You’re not on the brink of collapse, you’re more lucrative than you’ve ever been, and you’re not fooling anyone.

Source Forbes
 

interesting article.
the one thing i don't understand is regional rights negotiation for digital media.
i'm willing to pay. i can't find the stuff i'm looking for in my country.
i can either import physical media, or i can just use a fake account.
this may be illegal, but is it still piracy? after all, the various parties are being remunerated.
if i'm allowed to import physical media, why can't i import digital media?
 
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Some games like for e.g Sword of the Stars; and the 6 hour Single player FPS's are not worth R300 - R500.00. And unfortunately you cannot blame the retailers for the price (Since I got my own Game Store) you blame the damn DISTRIBUTORS! and the Publishers and everyone that take s a cut. Well actually some retail store knock you for R100 and this is before they get their rebates and discounts and what not.

I remember was an accident from the customer service guys that sent me a price list I was like wth! So cheap! but it was their "Internal Price list" ! So take a game like Call of Duty MW3 PS3. R650 full price, cost of the item is R490 ex VAT to a standard retailer. Bigger retailers get rebates between 2 - 5 % possibly more. So take that out of the R490. The distributors Cost is about R450 or less. As they are making a huge profit as well.

If you bring in the same title yourself as a company and import and bypass the distributors you come in way below R450 even after customs. So at end of day it is greed. Right from the top to the middle men, and to few retailers.

The point of the matter is everyone is milking people, and piracy even though it is not that good and does effect the smaller guys and retailers it something that I feel companies should embrace instead of defeating, use it for you.

Create a revenue stream via 'advertising' in the sense if I remember correctly couple movies profited from this, they approached big corporates and wish to use a cellphone lets say Nokia or Samsung, throughout the game or movie and they pay the Studio on a basis of the numbers that watched it, or estimates. This method could subsidize the costs and lower the price to the normal consumers. Let it work like a newspaper, or online magazine or magazine. They earn millions from advertisements revenues. And it a simple thing to do. In a movie like Fast and Furious how many cars did you have there? Obviously though the model has to be worked out accordingly and looked into for any loopholes and to treat the companies fairly and equitably. But these companies are making to much money of us using their current business model, and the reasons why they wish to fight against piracy is because they want to make more.

I am also a developer or was one created modules for websites and sold them, people took my work and built other things with it. But I saw more money coming in at a lower price than higher price. The owners of the item copyright want to much for something at times that is complete Junk. Like an album where you just want 2 or 3 songs.

How to combat piracy embrace it! And this google man is right only way to combat it is to provide things cheaper, or the people will find means of replacing it. That is business aswell. Look at cars Toyota was holding a big market share they got to greedy so they increased their prices. Hyundai came in recently now with a big bang in marketing and restructuring and they are screwing Toyota in terms of marketshare. Why? Cheaper for the same thing sometimes offering a few better items.

Same applies for this, the gaming industry, music industry, movie industry, keep bringing out spin offs or remakes of the same stuff over and over more sore within the gaming industry with a few exceptions, it just different names. And you cant beat the original. So why must you spend so much for a plot that very similar to something you already watched or played or listened? The free to play model is a good way of starting something if you like the game, and you think it is worth it you would buy it?

So why not companies studios release the games as free to play with limited features (like an extended demo) if they feel the game is good they will buy it to unlock those features. The reasons t hough developers dont release demos is because they dont want their reviews to get lowered as they do not want to destroy the hype they created for sometimes absolute ****:)

As for piracy if the game is good for me Mass Effect, GTA, and few others the developers deserve the money for bringing something original and different, and they deserver the money, but again to sometimes they want to much. But for titles that are buggy etc and you pay 350 - 500 for it you regret buying it. As developers aswell bring half done games.

The music industry is just as bad, all the songs are about humping, love, killing, freedom, hatred etc, just different beats why must you pay so much for it:/ hence Trance is best:P but yeah

The movies, R70 sometimes for a 3D movie supposedly 3D movie is a damn ripp off . Even if you got that Edgars Card or other cards. not forgetting snacks. it madness! I believe that if the creators of these items wish to have high prices they should give the money worth of it. Otherwise dont!

I used to pirate now I dont since I got my own store (one of the reasons why I got it is so I can get it cheaper and sooner) But South Africa is delayed! :D

Please note if you think its contradictory what I said above then please read carefully! I just wanted to say what came to me:)
 
Some games like for e.g Sword of the Stars; and the 6 hour Single player FPS's are not worth R300 - R500.00. And unfortunately you cannot blame the retailers for the price (Since I got my own Game Store) you blame the damn DISTRIBUTORS! and the Publishers and everyone that take s a cut. Well actually some retail store knock you for R100 and this is before they get their rebates and discounts and what not.

I remember was an accident from the customer service guys that sent me a price list I was like wth! So cheap! but it was their "Internal Price list" ! So take a game like Call of Duty MW3 PS3. R650 full price, cost of the item is R490 ex VAT to a standard retailer. Bigger retailers get rebates between 2 - 5 % possibly more. So take that out of the R490. The distributors Cost is about R450 or less. As they are making a huge profit as well.

If you bring in the same title yourself as a company and import and bypass the distributors you come in way below R450 even after customs. So at end of day it is greed. Right from the top to the middle men, and to few retailers.

The point of the matter is everyone is milking people, and piracy even though it is not that good and does effect the smaller guys and retailers it something that I feel companies should embrace instead of defeating, use it for you.

Create a revenue stream via 'advertising' in the sense if I remember correctly couple movies profited from this, they approached big corporates and wish to use a cellphone lets say Nokia or Samsung, throughout the game or movie and they pay the Studio on a basis of the numbers that watched it, or estimates. This method could subsidize the costs and lower the price to the normal consumers. Let it work like a newspaper, or online magazine or magazine. They earn millions from advertisements revenues. And it a simple thing to do. In a movie like Fast and Furious how many cars did you have there? Obviously though the model has to be worked out accordingly and looked into for any loopholes and to treat the companies fairly and equitably. But these companies are making to much money of us using their current business model, and the reasons why they wish to fight against piracy is because they want to make more.

I am also a developer or was one created modules for websites and sold them, people took my work and built other things with it. But I saw more money coming in at a lower price than higher price. The owners of the item copyright want to much for something at times that is complete Junk. Like an album where you just want 2 or 3 songs.

How to combat piracy embrace it! And this google man is right only way to combat it is to provide things cheaper, or the people will find means of replacing it. That is business aswell. Look at cars Toyota was holding a big market share they got to greedy so they increased their prices. Hyundai came in recently now with a big bang in marketing and restructuring and they are screwing Toyota in terms of marketshare. Why? Cheaper for the same thing sometimes offering a few better items.

Same applies for this, the gaming industry, music industry, movie industry, keep bringing out spin offs or remakes of the same stuff over and over more sore within the gaming industry with a few exceptions, it just different names. And you cant beat the original. So why must you spend so much for a plot that very similar to something you already watched or played or listened? The free to play model is a good way of starting something if you like the game, and you think it is worth it you would buy it?

So why not companies studios release the games as free to play with limited features (like an extended demo) if they feel the game is good they will buy it to unlock those features. The reasons t hough developers dont release demos is because they dont want their reviews to get lowered as they do not want to destroy the hype they created for sometimes absolute ****:)

As for piracy if the game is good for me Mass Effect, GTA, and few others the developers deserve the money for bringing something original and different, and they deserver the money, but again to sometimes they want to much. But for titles that are buggy etc and you pay 350 - 500 for it you regret buying it. As developers aswell bring half done games.

The music industry is just as bad, all the songs are about humping, love, killing, freedom, hatred etc, just different beats why must you pay so much for it:/ hence Trance is best:P but yeah

The movies, R70 sometimes for a 3D movie supposedly 3D movie is a damn ripp off . Even if you got that Edgars Card or other cards. not forgetting snacks. it madness! I believe that if the creators of these items wish to have high prices they should give the money worth of it. Otherwise dont!

I used to pirate now I dont since I got my own store (one of the reasons why I got it is so I can get it cheaper and sooner) But South Africa is delayed! :D

Please note if you think its contradictory what I said above then please read carefully! I just wanted to say what came to me:)
Well said!

To add to what he said I actually embrace piracy and want people to pirate more or have the option to pirate. Here is why.

To start off I fully understand what piracy is doing but here's the situation from a retailer perspective that I am prepared to substantiate with price lists. Assassins Creed Revelations costs R319.20 with a recommended selling price of R399. To be competitive I can't ask for more than R360 that brings me to my usual profit margin of 10-15%.

I recently got a price list for hardware going at cost and it was about half the price it usually costs. Hashishim mentions large retailers getting 2-5% on rebates but it is far more in the region of 40% at least. It has to be when a store like CNA can sell a game for half price.

The problem with IT is that there's only one manufacturer/publisher and in most cases only one importer/distributor. There's nobody to compete with and the simple principles of a free economy are not at play. They dictate what we pay and that dictates what consumers pay.

Piracy is allowing more competitors to exist where there would otherwise be only monopolies. Not because consumers want everything for free like some ignorant fool here claimed. I am also a consumer myself and like most would pay a fair price. If games can sell for R400-500 with piracy rampant as they claim then just imagine how much they would ask if there wasn't any piracy. If somebody can't afford a game or don't want to pay for it then I am all for them pirating it even if I have to sell the same game.

We have been complaining about how hard the existing distribution channels make it for small retailers to compete against large ones that sell for less to the public than the price we have to pay so take some of your own medicine in return and stop whining or put better ones in place.
 
Theft of labour

I pirate because, try as I might, I cannot obtain the goods by other means. I do not want a DVD case, box, shipping. I do not want shipping. I do not wish to import physical goods. I do not want an apple mac and an itunes account. I do not want it in a locked format. I do not want it from the original distributor. I just want to pay for it. Where's the "pay original producer now" link?
 
I recently bought an album download on look n listen's online store, I thought it was great value for R100.

However, when I tried to download the album (10 tracks) 4 tracks were missing because they dont allow you to download a track more than once (and my internet is really dodgy) So I contacted them and got a chance to down load them again. And this time i got 3 out of 4 missing songs, before my internet connection interupted the down load.

Now I still dont have track number 10. They have not responded to my email about the problem.

This is why I am unlikely to use the look n listen online store in future. "Illegal" sources dont mind how many times you download the song/album. But when you have paid for the right to download it, now you only get one chance, and too bad if the connection is interupted due to eskom going offline, or whatever. It should be there in your account, to download again and again. Then I would be willing to part with 100 bucks each time I want an album. The way its set up now, I will keep my 100 bucks and get my music someplace else, thank you very much.

Thats my R0.02.
 
Another R0.02 - This "controversy" reminds me of that label they used to put on every original record album (or tape) cover which we bought "stop home taping - its killing music" Well, music lovers who have lived through the last 20 years can testify that since those messages appeared the only thing that is killing music is the substances musicians put into their bodies.
 
I recently bought an album download on look n listen's online store, I thought it was great value for R100.

However, when I tried to download the album (10 tracks) 4 tracks were missing because they dont allow you to download a track more than once (and my internet is really dodgy) So I contacted them and got a chance to down load them again. And this time i got 3 out of 4 missing songs, before my internet connection interupted the down load.

Now I still dont have track number 10. They have not responded to my email about the problem.

This is why I am unlikely to use the look n listen online store in future. "Illegal" sources dont mind how many times you download the song/album. But when you have paid for the right to download it, now you only get one chance, and too bad if the connection is interupted due to eskom going offline, or whatever. It should be there in your account, to download again and again. Then I would be willing to part with 100 bucks each time I want an album. The way its set up now, I will keep my 100 bucks and get my music someplace else, thank you very much.

Thats my R0.02.

I know people bitch about iTunes, but if you make the effort to open a US account and buy vouchers, buying music is a real pleasure... Your connection times out, no worries, the download resumes as soon as it's up again. You have your phone or iPad set for Automatic Downloads and as soon as you buy the track, iTunes pushes it to your devices. Delete the track and it's in your purchase history to download again.
Seriously, I really think there is a market for this to be done well here, no one seems interested enough 'tho.
 
Another R0.02 - This "controversy" reminds me of that label they used to put on every original record album (or tape) cover which we bought "stop home taping - its killing music" Well, music lovers who have lived through the last 20 years can testify that since those messages appeared the only thing that is killing music is the substances musicians put into their bodies.
Good point!

@greg i thought itune's was very successful and from what I can tell there is a lot of interest, also they should be commended for pushing legal and practical digital distribution.
 
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