Why do you use/prefer Android vs. iOS?

Flexibility, customizability and the fact that I don't use other Apple products and am therefore not locked into a single closed-off ecosystem.

I do however understand why some people gravitate towards Apple in terms of ease of use. Those that do so because its fashionable are a joke.
 
Quad9 was actually first in 2017, I don't believe they have or had an app, I stand to he corrected though. Indeed though, DoT is useless unless it's configured.

Google felt in 2017 during Android 9 development that DoT was an important enough privacy feature to be implemented, while Apple didn't until two years later. I don't believe a 3rd party app should be used to gauge features or capabilities of an OS.
That's a very blurred line, because what's the OS? I think of Android as (AOSP + GApps).
If you have push notifications then you're still connected to Google or Huawei.

What irks me though is when a person makes a comment they use iPhone because it has better privacy than Android, what is the comment based on, or is it just an echo chamber for the iPhone fans?
Marketing lol. Also remember encryption !== privacy.
Android implements DoT, Google's DNS service doesn't even support it at the time.
Your DNS queries can now be private, but is it about privacy? If you use something for blocking ads via DNS, that's now broken.

I would bet the vast majority of people that say they use an iphone for better privacy don't have a clue what that actually means, and this goes for Android users as well. They are probably all on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter. They probably don't use a privacy VPN. They probably don't use Dot or DoH. They probably happily use Google and Gmail services, and other online services and location services.
I think the difference is Apple kinda enforces some transparency to make things clear, this app is using your GPS, this app copied your clipboard etc.
 
That's a very blurred line, because what's the OS? I think of Android as (AOSP + GApps).
If you have push notifications then you're still connected to Google or Huawei.

I would have to agree that to benefit most from the Android ecosystem, then Android is OS + GApps is the way to go. From a raw OS point of view though, I would exclude GApps as those apps aren't necessary to run Android on a device. I know LineageOS doesn't have them as part of ROM, and if you want to use GApps, you would install them separately. Exactly how functional the phone is without GApps I do not know, but I would presume LineageOS have their own replacement apps like contacts, dialer, calendar etc.

Marketing lol. Also remember encryption !== privacy.
Android implements DoT, Google's DNS service doesn't even support it at the time.
Your DNS queries can now be private, but is it about privacy? If you use something for blocking ads via DNS, that's now broken.

Sure, privacy is more than just a single feature, encryption is a small part of it. Without encryption though, you lose all privacy.

Interested to know why you say it is now broken? The DNS server will always know the domain being queried, its the transport that is encrypted. If you are using a filtered DNS server, the same applies except an NXDOMAIN will be returned. If the DNS servers are not being logged (unlike Cloudfare) then you do have a level of privacy.

AdGuard take this a step further on your device by running a local VPN. The DNS requests are processed on the device within AdGuard by blocking them based on the filters configured locally, and if they are not blocked, the requests get forwarded to the configured DNS server. There's a list of preset DNS servers (filtered and non filtered), various transport options(normal, DNSCrypt, DoT, DoH, and DoQ), but you can also use any custom DNS server including your own.

I think the difference is Apple kinda enforces some transparency to make things clear, this app is using your GPS, this app copied your clipboard etc.

Permissions had a massive overhaul in Android 10 which allows for granular settings of permissions per app or by permission in a single place, and way more apparent. From what I recall, permissions are now requested when launching the app for the first time instead of when being installed. Location has been taken a step further by either denying, allowing, or only allow when app is running.

I think a lot of the perceptions of Android vs iOS come from years ago and is no longer valid. Since Android 9, many significant changes occurred within the OS, especially with regards to security and privacy. Somebody mentioned here that iPhone does not have a Wifi-Analyzer app due to the privacy concerns, and that is a fair comment. On the flip though, from what I recall unless it has changed, most people give their iPhone a personal name like Johns-iPhone or Janes-phone, and when enabling a hotspot on an iPhone, this is the name of the hotspot which is not so private. Its all relative to what you or I deem as a privacy concern.

Ultimately though, the average person saying I use Android for better security, or I use iPhone for better privacy I think is nonsense. People buy and use the phones they like and prefer, and that's it. And lets be honest, if a person is using social media, they probably aren't that bothered about privacy :)

Thanks for the discussion, I am enjoying it.
 
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I would have to agree that to benefit most from the Android ecosystem, then Android is OS + GApps is the way to go. From a raw OS point of view though, I would exclude GApps as those apps aren't necessary to run Android on a device. I know LineageOS doesn't have them as part of ROM, and if you want to use GApps, you would install them separately. Exactly how functional the phone is without GApps I do not know, but I would presume LineageOS have their own replacement apps like contacts, dialer, calendar etc.



Sure, privacy is more than just a single feature, encryption is a small part of it. Without encryption though, you lose all privacy.

Interested to know why you say it is now broken? The DNS server will always know the domain being queried, its the transport that is encrypted. If you are using a filtered DNS server, the same applies except an NXDOMAIN will be returned. If the DNS servers are not being logged (unlike Cloudfare) then you do have a level of privacy.

AdGuard take this a step further on your device by running a local VPN. The DNS requests are processed on the device within AdGuard by blocking them based on the filters configured locally, and if they are not blocked, the requests get forwarded to the configured DNS server. There's a list of preset DNS servers (filtered and non filtered), various transport options(normal, DNSCrypt, DoT, DoH, and DoQ), but you can also use any custom DNS server including your own.



Permissions had a massive overhaul in Android 10 which allows for granular settings of permissions per app or by permission in a single place, and way more apparent. From what I recall, permissions are now requested when launching the app for the first time instead of when being installed. Location has been taken a step further by either denying, allowing, or only allow when app is running.

I think a lot of the perceptions of Android vs iOS come from years ago and is no longer valid. Since Android 9, many significant changes occurred within the OS, especially with regards to security and privacy. Somebody mentioned here that iPhone does not have a Wifi-Analyzer app due to the privacy concerns, and that is a fair comment. On the flip though, from what I recall unless it has changed, most people give their iPhone a personal name like Johns-iPhone or Janes-phone, and when enabling a hotspot on an iPhone, this is the name of the hotspot which is not so private. Its all relative to what you or I deem as a privacy concern.

Ultimately though, the average person saying I use Android for better security, or I use iPhone for better privacy I think is nonsense. People buy and use the phones they like and prefer, and that's it. And lets be honest, if a person is using social media, they probably aren't that bothered about privacy :)

Thanks for the discussion, I am enjoying it.
Most, if not all the Android roms run without Gapps..
 
If you have push notifications then you're still connected to Google.
Not at all... https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/open-source-email-fdroid

Replacing FCM with SSE

We settled on the SSE (Server Sent Events) because it seemed like a simple solution. By that I mean “easy to implement, easy to debug”. Debugging these types of things can be a major headache so one should not underestimate this factor. Another argument in favour of SSE was relative power efficiency: We didn’t need upstream messages and a constant connection to the server was not our goal.
 
Interested to know why you say it is now broken? The DNS server will always know the domain being queried, its the transport that is encrypted. If you are using a filtered DNS server, the same applies except an NXDOMAIN will be returned. If the DNS servers are not being logged (unlike Cloudfare) then you do have a level of privacy.

AdGuard take this a step further on your device by running a local VPN. The DNS requests are processed on the device within AdGuard by blocking them based on the filters configured locally, and if they are not blocked, the requests get forwarded to the configured DNS server. There's a list of preset DNS servers (filtered and non filtered), various transport options(normal, DNSCrypt, DoT, DoH, and DoQ), but you can also use any custom DNS server including your own.
Sorry I meant the ad-blocking would break not DNS similar to using secure DNS in a browser.
Now that iOS is onboard, it allows for new services like https://nextdns.io/

Ultimately though, the average person saying I use Android for better security, or I use iPhone for better privacy I think is nonsense. People buy and use the phones they like and prefer, and that's it. And lets be honest, if a person is using social media, they probably aren't that bothered about privacy :)
Exactly!

Permissions had a massive overhaul in Android 10 which allows for granular settings of permissions per app or by permission in a single place, and way more apparent. From what I recall, permissions are now requested when launching the app for the first time instead of when being installed. Location has been taken a step further by either denying, allowing, or only allow when app is running.

I think a lot of the perceptions of Android vs iOS come from years ago and is no longer valid. Since Android 9, many significant changes occurred within the OS, especially with regards to security and privacy. Somebody mentioned here that iPhone does not have a Wifi-Analyzer app due to the privacy concerns, and that is a fair comment. On the flip though, from what I recall unless it has changed, most people give their iPhone a personal name like Johns-iPhone or Janes-phone, and when enabling a hotspot on an iPhone, this is the name of the hotspot which is not so private. Its all relative to what you or I deem as a privacy concern.

Thanks for the discussion, I am enjoying it.
On the OS it's a bit much of muchness, the average social media person wouldn't understand the aspects that fall under 'privacy' from retention to processing etc.

On the dev side of transparency we'd say, I need access to Wi-Fi to figure out the user's proximity and we don't fingerprint or send that info to the server. That's the same policy the user would see which doesn't mean much but it's the transparency Apple requires from us that's validated by them.
To someone that could be controlling and that's a fair argument.
 
Sorry I meant the ad-blocking would break not DNS similar to using secure DNS in a browser.
Now that iOS is onboard, it allows for new services like https://nextdns.io/

I use AdGuard for ad blocking, tracker blocking, DNS, on PC and mobile. The name AdGuard is misleading as the are much more than blocking ads.

* Various public DNS servers (filtered and non-filtered)
* Mobile apps for DNS and browser filtering.
* Windows app for DNS and browser filtering.
* Browser extensions
* VPN
* AdGuard Home DNS (run your own DNS server, like PiHole but better).


If you like to dabble, you can setup your own AdGuard Home DNS server at home. I run mine on a RPi. It was nice coming from a Windows and .Net background and messing around with Linux and Docker on the RPi. Doing around 1mil DNS requests from home, a 20% of them being blocked.
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iPad isn't R20k-R30k unless you're going for the highest end. I got my iPad 8th gen (I think?) for R5.5k new last year

I've got a sealed iPad 10.2" 8th gen space gray 32GB wifi I'll probably sell for R5.5k on carb now lol
 
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