Why ever did i chose winblows 10

Johnatan56 said:
Discord and Telegram.
Discord also has a quick screen share option like Skype, which was the main reason I stayed with it, though I do use Team Viewer often enough now to permanently have it open. Sound quality seems to have also improved on Discord (or at least other people's microphones...).

The Discord overlay in games is still great if you have a 4+ person group, it's also good for work chats as we can separate everything into different channels (also seems to use a heck of a lot less resources then Slack, which just kept getting laggier and laggier even though we all have quite beefy machines, especially when we had more than one workstation).

For "mass" presentations where you don't want to be interrupted by others but still want to interact via IM, Team Viewer meetings is great, otherwise use YouTube's ultra low latency but I find that still has ~3-4 seconds of latency as we don't seem to have good servers in South Africa (in Austria I had maybe a second delay?).
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I'll check it out. I like what they did here:

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genetic said:
Yeah... CataclysmZA actually put some thought into the post, and tried not to randomly fire blanks like you do... hence the lack of a cognitive response from you.

Hey, but you're the tech expert.

As you say - have a good one. ;)
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Naah i fired full on solids. The majority of the replies said "it will be fixed by 2020" :crylaugh:
As for the rest...meh.

That list i referred to is still golden :)
 
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CataclysmZA said:
We can both agree that things could be better done, but the execution of such an undertaking is a messy one. Microsoft is trying their best, no doubt.



I just installed Windows 10 Pro 1804. On the list of bloatware:

  • Dolby Access
  • MSN News (Guys, it's deprecated, it doesn't even get updates!)
  • Drawboard PDF
  • Autodesk Sketchup
  • Minecraft
  • Solitaire Collection
  • Candy Crush Soda Saga
  • Disney Magic Kingdoms
  • Bubble Witch 3 Saga
  • March of Empires: Warlords
  • Mobile Plans (no local support)
  • Mixed Reality Viewer (no hardware support)
  • Connect (Wireless adapter does not support Wi-Direct to other displays)

It's not bad, but the King.com games are annoying. Those should not be on a "Pro" version of an OS.

And all of these things are currently updating, so it's not like I can do anything until that completes.

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The UWP Skype will soon become uninstallable.
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Windblows is like buying a car.
Eish! The engine won't start.
Windblows
How, oh, we forgot to put an engine in. Just pay your money.
Eish!
The wheels won't turn
Windblows
Ah we forgot the rims, don't worry the other buyers will come up with a plan, we will let you know after sucking up all their data.
Eish!
It's still broken.

Disclaimer.
Use Windblows for games only, no Internet.
Linux for everything else.
 
I used to be one of those people who waited till SP2 before I used the version of Windows. I hated windows 95 as games just ran slower as it did in Dos. I used windows 2000 over windows XP for a long time, as I found it better.
That started changing with windows 7, and I actually bought myself a copy of windows 8 after using it at the office for a while.

Windows 10 is the best OS out there at the moment. I've used OS X Lion or whatever, and pretty much went into rant mode like OP here.
Linux mint was an unstable mess, and just never really liked Ubuntu. Every now and then I would install some flavour of Linux on a laptop, and it always ended up not being used after that.

As for bloatware, I installed windows 10 on an old laptop for my SO, created a second user account, and installed Photoshop and the Creative Cloud stuff Adobe now needs. Windows installed all it needed and I even synched some of my Onedrive folders. End result was 30GB used, which is not bad at all. I remember a standard windows 7 install also being round about that size.

I've stopped trying to convince others to try it or like it. Windows 10 is like sushi, great but some people just wont like it or give it a chance.
Going back to windows 7, 8.1, or Ubuntu feels like having to use your old Android 2.3 phone after you broke your new one.
 
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The problems with an OS are use dependant.
For office use, majority of applications are Windows only.
If you're using another OS for private use, and Windows for work, you may find difficulty in the differences. But that being said, the problems being blown out of proportion in this thread about Windows are ridiculous.

If you go to a different OS with the mindset that things are supposed to be done xyz way like your other OS, you're never going to be open minded enough to learn and/or appreciate the new OS. This applies both ways (other OS to Windows, Windows to other OS).
 
Its what it does without your knowledge, the little to no system customization before install, and what mess it makes choosing for you what sevices to run, the mandatory ones too, stealing your data, and how it's designed from the ground up intentionally that causes outrage.

Someone mentioned dos. they need to make a modern dos just for home/graphical software/gaming use, dos was more about how the operating system can fully free your system to take advantage of all the processing power to optimize what you intend on running, and less about, what it can toll down.

i don't require 70% of the services bloating up my memory and tolling my cpu, not to mention them installing updates that dumbs the system down again, it's like dji, with each firmware update, your drone gets dumbed down till u've got a pink elephant.

usability of windows i am 50-60% happy with, and the way they hide advanced settings, which isn't even that advanced is dumb. you would think they hide it like that because their consumer target is 8 years old individuals.
 
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Spliffcat said:
Windblows is like buying a car.
Eish! The engine won't start.
Windblows
How, oh, we forgot to put an engine in. Just pay your money.
Eish!
The wheels won't turn
Windblows
Ah we forgot the rims, don't worry the other buyers will come up with a plan, we will let you know after sucking up all their data.
Eish!
It's still broken.

Disclaimer.
Use Windblows for games only, no Internet.
Linux for everything else.
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FlyUAv said:
Its what it does without your knowledge, the little to no system customization before install, and what mess it makes choosing for you what sevices to run, the mandatory ones too, stealing your data, and how it's designed from the ground up intentionally that causes outrage.

Someone mentioned dos. they need to make a modern dos just for home/graphical software/gaming use, dos was more about how the operating system can fully free your system to take advantage of all the processing power to optimize what you intend on running, and less about, what it can toll down.

i don't require 70% of the services bloating up my memory and tolling my cpu, not to mention them installing updates that dumbs the system down again, it's like dji, with each firmware update, your drone gets dumbed down till u've got a pink elephant.

usability of windows i am 50-60% happy with, and the way they hide advanced settings, which isn't even that advanced is dumb. you would think they hide it like that because their consumer target is 8 years old individuals.
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Most consumers are of the OP variety. Ignorant and ill tempered. They make advanced settings less easy to tamper with precisely because people are ignorant.
I've met a lot of "clued up" individuals in my long career in support and those are the ones who cause 90% of the issues with their own machines. These individuals are usually also of the "but it's always worked this way before" variety.

With DOS you had severe limitations built into the architecture and very limited resources. It wasn't "all about the operating system" back then because of efficiency, it was because it had to. BIG difference.
These days you have oodles of power on tap and a lot more resources. Most of the time our very capable machines are sitting around near idle most of the day.

With DOS, if there was an issue you sat for months waiting for the vendor to update their drivers and supply your local re-seller with a copy. These days you get fixes in a much shorter period of time.
You also cannot expect today's hardware to be capable of the same tasks in 2 years time. Technology marches on and so does chip optimisations and instruction sets. Things that in the past were using up expensive CPU cycles are offloaded into discrete circuits. Older CPU's without these advancements can sometimes be firmware'd to use existing circuits plus some CPU cycles to cater for new tech. Sometimes the new instruction sets are completely run by the CPU because it doesn't have the discrete tech the newer chips do.

People using the 8088 XT processors had the same performance complaint (and conspiracy theories) because their chips ran slower with the math co-processor upgrade than the 8086's at the same speed with the math-co-processors onboard (later becoming the ALU)

It's the inevitable march of progress that makes older technology run slower, not some conspiracy nut theory based on little to no understanding.
 
DMNknight said:
Most consumers are of the OP variety. Ignorant and ill tempered. They make advanced settings less easy to tamper with precisely because people are ignorant.
I've met a lot of "clued up" individuals in my long career in support and those are the ones who cause 90% of the issues with their own machines. These individuals are usually also of the "but it's always worked this way before" variety.

With DOS you had severe limitations built into the architecture and very limited resources. It wasn't "all about the operating system" back then because of efficiency, it was because it had to. BIG difference.
These days you have oodles of power on tap and a lot more resources. Most of the time our very capable machines are sitting around near idle most of the day.

With DOS, if there was an issue you sat for months waiting for the vendor to update their drivers and supply your local re-seller with a copy. These days you get fixes in a much shorter period of time.
You also cannot expect today's hardware to be capable of the same tasks in 2 years time. Technology marches on and so does chip optimisations and instruction sets. Things that in the past were using up expensive CPU cycles are offloaded into discrete circuits. Older CPU's without these advancements can sometimes be firmware'd to use existing circuits plus some CPU cycles to cater for new tech. Sometimes the new instruction sets are completely run by the CPU because it doesn't have the discrete tech the newer chips do.

People using the 8088 XT processors had the same performance complaint (and conspiracy theories) because their chips ran slower with the math co-processor upgrade than the 8086's at the same speed with the math-co-processors onboard (later becoming the ALU)

It's the inevitable march of progress that makes older technology run slower, not some conspiracy nut theory based on little to no understanding.
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Most Pro windows 10 individuals are of your variety, getting strung along on the windows puppetry wagon pretending all is Gee and Golly. There have been millions experiencing failures with windows 10 in the past few years, spend a day and see how many you can google up, the verifiable issues that windows 10 has, the actual patches that had to be rolled back, even intels patches that intel admits crashed windows 10 machines.

Many games had to come back, patches rewrite defaults, your fonts got messed up, right click menus that don't work, DHCP issues that microsoft even admitted happened.


Technology does march on i agree, and systems are getting bogged and dumbed down, no conspiracy, reality by the millions of users ;)
 
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FlyUAv said:
Most Pro windows 10 individuals are of your variety, getting strung along on the windows puppetry wagon pretending all is Gee and Golly. There have been millions experiencing failures with windows 10 in the past few years, spend a day and see how many you can google up, the verifiable issues that windows 10 has, the actual patches that had to be rolled back, even intels patches that intel admits crashed windows 10 machines.

Many games had to come back, patches rewrite defaults, your fonts got messed up, right click menus that don't work, DHCP issues that microsoft even admitted happened.


Technology does march on i agree, and systems are getting bogged and dumbed down, no conspiracy, reality by the millions of users ;)
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I didn't get to be a Windows "Pro" user by whinging about it on the internet. I either googled my problem or I found someone who knew more about it than me.
As for the puppetry wagon, if there were a better option that did everything windows did, then by all means point it out.
 
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