Why is Africa a Failure?

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PostmanPot said:
Remember that Africa has been exposed to the "New World" and the "new way of thinking" for considerably less time than that of Europeans - and the majority of that time, they/it have/has been exploited.
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I think this may be the problem africa is facing the most..

They are illusioned to think they are on equal grounds with europe, only because europe was present during their colonisation some centuries ago.

Africa is a continent still very much in disarray. No matter how early you exposed them to the New world etc. etc. they didnt have structure through which they could build from.

Like people say, there wasnt even a wheel when the europeans arrived here. And now- africa wants to become a democracy. When they dont have the ability to sustain their own people without international aid relief.

Japan Industrialised in less than 50 years... Africa will take forever to adapt if they dont start from within - I think what zimbabwe is doing might be the right track. Although the fact remains they are still exporting minerals to europe, making them more valuable than ever.
 
Turtle said:
Europe was much wealthier than Africa long before 'the first ships even landed' here, so to speak. How do you explain that?
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Trade.
Europe developed very differently to Africa, due to weather.
In many parts of Europe, they suffer rather hard winters, therefore forcing people to store "produce" through the winter, in Africa you walked off into the bush, picked or hunted what you wanted to eat, and their was no need to store anything. As the tribes grew in Europe, they realised that they couldnt always go to war to steal produce from one another, so they would trade their goods for others.
Hundreds of generations and you build an economy, while your African neighbour was still picking and hunting.

For those of you who dismiss slavery so lightly, as not being one of the stumbling blocks to growth, i would suggest a little further reading.
The external slave trade existed for over 10 Centuries, there is very little information on how long "slavery" existed in Africa internally.
Elikia M’bokolo, April 1998, Le Monde diplomatique. Quote:"The African continent was bled of its human resources via all possible routes. Across the Sahara, through the Red Sea, from the Indian Ocean ports and across the Atlantic. At least ten centuries of slavery for the benefit of the Muslim countries (from the ninth to the nineteenth)." He continues: "Four million slaves exported via the Red Sea, another four million through the Swahili ports of the Indian Ocean, perhaps as many as nine million along the trans-Saharan caravan route, and eleven to twenty million (depending on the author) across the Atlantic Ocean
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Demographics

The demographic effects of the slave trade are some of the most controversial and debated issues. Tens of millions of people were removed from Africa via the slave trade, and what effect this had on Africa is an important question. Walter Rodney argued that the export of so many people had been a demographic disaster and had left Africa permanently disadvantaged when compared to other parts of the world, and largely explains that continent's continued poverty
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Legacy of racism

Maulana Karenga states that the effects of slavery where "the morally monstrous destruction of human possibility involved redefining African humanity to the world, poisoning past, present and future relations with others who only know us through this stereotyping and thus damaging the truly human relations among people of today." . He cites that it constituted the destruction of culture, language, religion and human possibility
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_slave_trade

Then we look at Europe's influence:

European exploration of Africa began with Ancient Greeks and Romans, that explored and settled in North Africa. Fifteenth Century Portugual, especially under Henry the Navigator probed along the West African coast. Scientific curiosity and Christian missionary spirit soon were subordinated to mercantile considerations, including lucrative trafficking in enslaved persons.
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Attitudes to exploration of Africa

Many explorers felt that it was their duty to introduce Western civilisation and Christianity to "savage" black African peoples, and hence exploration was seen by most people during the post-Renaissance era as a useful expenditure of energy.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_exploration_of_Africa

One needs to look at:
Scramble for Africa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramble_for_Africa

Colonisation of Africa:
The Europeans possessed attitudes of superiority and a sense of mission. Khapoya compares and contrasts three colonial powers: the French, the British and the Portuguese. The French were able to accept an African as French, if they gave up their African culture and adopted French ways, even including marriage with a (white) French person. The British did not accept full equality even for an African adopting British ways, and disapproved of interracial marriage. The Portuguese were more tolerant than the British concerning mixed marriages, though still viewing full blooded Portuguese as superior. Knowledge of Portuguese language and culture and abandonment of traditional ways defined one as civilised.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonisation_of_Africa

Then

Decolonisation of Africa:
In the aftermath of decolonisation, Africa displayed political instability, economic disaster, and debt dependence. Political instability occurred with the introductions of Marxist and capitalist influence, along with continuing friction from racial inequalities. Inciting civil war, black nationalist groups participated in violent attacks against white settlers, trying to end "white minority rule" in the government.
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Decolonised Africa has lost many of its social and economic institutions and to this day shows a high level of informal economic. In another result of colonialism followed by decolonisation, the African economy was drained of natural resources with no opportunity to diversify from its colonial export of cash crops. Suffering through famine and drought, Africa struggled to industrialise its poverty stricken work force without sufficient funds.
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In an attempt to influence the Third World to adopt the ideology of either capitalism or Communism, the United States and the Soviet Union loaned food and money to Africa. To feed, educate, and modernise its masses, Africa borrowed large sums of money from various nations, bankers and companies. In return, the lenders forced the African countries to devalue their currency and attempted to exert political influence within Africa. The borrowed money, however, did not rehabilitate the devastated economy. Since the massive loans were usually squandered by the mismanagement of corrupt dictators, social issues such as education, health care, and political stability have been ignored.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonisation_of_Africa

Impact and evaluation of colonialism and colonization:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_and_evaluation_of_colonialism_and_colonization

I dont Blame Africans in the least for being peeved at 1st world countries.
 
UnoPanelvan said:
Ahh the Wiki again. It carries more weight than the other quoted references. I presume. Which part or section of that whole document are you referencing too? Just for interest.
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I am referring to it in general to show that there is more to the validity of the IQ test than what meets the common eye.
 
Robin Hood said:
Yes it is...I was reffering to a post from UnoPanelvan---> "I never see you apologize for the derailments you make." btw it was suppose to be seen as a joke, but it seems you dont see it as such?...We call it a "Sense of Humour" :confused:
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I've asked him for links to these threads/posts, too.

I was hoping I'd have more luck asking you.
 
Nanfeishen said:
I dont Blame Africans in the least for being peeved at 1st world countries.
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Hmm I do, the first world countries are not responsible for what happened generations before. Im peeved at Africa for wasting all the aid that it gets GIVEN for FREE. Africans of today didn't live through slavery and they are certainly happy to be able to watch TV, drive around in expensive cars and dress smart.. Without us they would still be wearing shaganappies and killing eachother with flimsy little spears. I dont blame the Germans for starting ww2 because they aren't the same germans.. Your logic is ignorant
 
Pixie22 said:
Hmm I do, the first world countries are not responsible for what happened generations before.
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What happened generations before?

Im peeved at Africa for wasting all the aid that it gets GIVEN for FREE.
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Africans are peeved at Europeans who took and exploited Africa's resources, one of the reasons why there is such a need for African aid these days.

Africans of today didn't live through slavery...
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They live on a continent which has been fscked up because of slavery, exploitation etc.

Without us they would still be wearing shaganappies and killing eachother with flimsy little spears. I dont blame the Germans for starting ww2 because they aren't the same germans.. Your logic is ignorant
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One of the few things to thanks religious texts for. But remember, Africa has been exposed to the New World for considerably less time than that of Europe.
 
PostmanPot said:
Save that for the Philosophical debates sub-forum.
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Nothing philosophical about it...Thats all there is still left to do to "try" and save this country...and thats "hope". Africans have live 1000's of years BEFORE there were even chinese, etc and they still did nothing to "uplift" themselfs...So its no use passing the bucket to "excuses"...Unless you know something that i dont?
 
Pixie22 said:
Hmm I do, the first world countries are not responsible for what happened generations before. Im peeved at Africa for wasting all the aid that it gets GIVEN for FREE. Africans of today didn't live through slavery and they are certainly happy to be able to watch TV, drive around in expensive cars and dress smart.. Without us they would still be wearing shaganappies and killing eachother with flimsy little spears. I dont blame the Germans for starting ww2 because they aren't the same germans.. Your logic is ignorant
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I blame the Africans for giving-in to all the Western ways of doing things. Look at this world now, guns, money, technology, global warming, etc.

/me misses my shaganappies
 
PostmanPot said:
I've asked him for links to these threads/posts, too.

I was hoping I'd have more luck asking you.
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Enough :mad: one post was more than enough to determine that he was going to ignore your request. Stop littering the forum with your bickering :mad:
 
Heita_Hola said:
I blame the Africans for giving-in to all the Western ways of doing things. Look at this world now, guns, money, technology, global warming, etc.

/me misses my shaganappies
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what is a shaganappy...:confused::confused:????
 
postman..los daai pot

Why you post and talk to yourself, eish.

Regarding the topic.

Is it fair to say from all of the posts above that the reason why Africa, particular ZIM2.0(home of the white genocide) is a failure is because its the indiginous africans fault..is that what is being said or did I misunderstand?
 
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