Why Windows Phone will beat Android

Windows Phone + full MS Office and Outlook integtation + BBM + BIS/BES + Navteq + BB Bold 9000 keyboard ... on Nokia hardware = definite winner for me. May this become reality!
 
BeVonk! said:
I'm sure you've all seen this already: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/16/eldar-murtazin-microsoft-will-enter-negotiations-to-buy-nokias/

Rumour, but ...
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Mark Squires, Coms Director at Nokia tweets:

“We typically don’t comment on rumors. But we have to say that Eldar’s rumors are getting obviously less accurate with every passing moment.”

Elimentals said:
Examples of what they should have done

Your Contacts syncs to your Companies Exchange Contacts linked to your AD account so if you add a contact on your phone its immediately on your outlook, no need to plug in. Android does this with Gmail and Android contacts(if a contact is entered as private on the phone this sync should not happen)
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Mine does this. If I add a contact I can select my Exchange account (if it's your default WP7 account it will default to that). Through Outlook linked to Exchange, the contact pops up within seconds.
The companies IT can roll out applications from the server to all the phones registered in that server similar to what you can do to PC's and should be able to do this over the air. (You should still be able to install market apps like games but wont be restored from Company server on a new phone)
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There is some support for that coming with Mango (more enterprise features coming in general) in a 'private' app in the marketplace way but don't think you can 'deploy' straight to the device as of now.
When you insert your sim card into a new phone and log in using your AD credentials it should sync back all your contacts and applications.
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Contacts will automatically sync back and if your device was setup with that account then yes, the applications will come back. (i.e. your main account).
System Administrator should be able to remote wipe the phone doesn't matter where it is or what sim is on it.
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That's already implemented in terms of the email, contacts, etc through EAS support. Then through the Live Devices site you can lock / erase device.

I can give plenty more but you get the idea...
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Which idea? :)
 
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open source always follows in proprietary footsteps using it as a stepping stone in some cases like android, that is why bbm is not free / open source , lol, and why windows can beat
 
6ghost said:
open source always follows in proprietary footsteps using it as a stepping stone in some cases like android, that is why bbm is not free / open source , lol, and why windows can beat
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LOL!!!!!

If it wasn't for Open Source and the competition in brings Microsoft would have left its users in the dark ages. Many of the things Microsoft brings was born in the world of sharing, or did you forget BSD or Unix was developed by universities sharing ideas. All open-source has done was open that sharing to the world and not keep it behind university doors where they got patented and sold to the highest bidders.

PS your Windows was build on the ground roots of BSD
 
Elimentals said:
LOL!!!!!

If it wasn't for Open Source and the competition in brings Microsoft would have left its users in the dark ages. Many of the things Microsoft brings was born in the world of sharing, or did you forget BSD or Unix was developed by universities sharing ideas. All open-source has done was open that sharing to the world and not keep it behind university doors where they got patented and sold to the highest bidders.

PS your Windows was build on the ground roots of BSD
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Yeah, except more than 1% of the population use Windows, regardless of it's roots - unlike your Linux :)
But yes...the war is over http://mybroadband.co.za/news/software/19762-The-Linux-Microsoft-war-over.html

EDIT: Interesting, offtopic tweet: https://twitter.com/#!/GrahmSkee/status/70888442308984833
 
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roguemat said:
Yeah, except more than 1% of the population use Windows, regardless of it's roots - unlike your Linux :)
But yes...the war is over http://mybroadband.co.za/news/software/19762-The-Linux-Microsoft-war-over.html
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Sure let's ignore the millions of other areas like fax machines, routers, supercomputers, pvr's, tv's and all and focus one the one market they cheated and bullied to win.

Before this becomes another OS war I would just say personally I would not want total dominance of any system in any market esp when it comes to something that's client facing. People should always have the freedom to choose.
 
Elimentals said:
Before this becomes another OS war I would just say personally I would not want total dominance of any system in any market esp when it comes to something that's client facing. People should always have the freedom to choose.
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With this I totally agree. My sentiments towards Google is influenced by this exact thing. The only way to "do no evil" is to have realistic competition. Google is dangerously close to being the real - to be feared - Big Brother ... especially now that it and the NSA are partners.
 
Elimentals said:
That its 7 months to late :)

It should have been released with all of it in place. Not coming in mango this and mango that.
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In that case, you're saying that no Os should be updated or improved because it should launch with ALL the features one would ever need.
I'd say that the one feature you decided to list that isn't available right now is a pretty good start for a young OS.
I'm happy that when Mango comes out, WP7 will have pretty much all the features that Android and iOS have. Because of that I believe that it will have a VERY strong chance at overtaking IOS in the future. Almost no way it will overtake Android though as it will find its way onto multiple devices.
 
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Elimentals said:
Sure let's ignore the millions of other areas like fax machines, routers, supercomputers, pvr's, tv's and all and focus one the one market they cheated and bullied to win.

Before this becomes another OS war I would just say personally I would not want total dominance of any system in any market esp when it comes to something that's client facing. People should always have the freedom to choose.
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Pretty sure we talking about consumer operating systems.
No ones disputing the fact that Linux runs on all of those things
If Linux was so good and Windows so bad in the old days, the OEMs would never have signed such agreements with Microsoft. Yes, they are providing massive discounts on their licenses to the OEMs that exclusively make Windows machines but how many people would even want to buy a computer that was running only Linux? Maybe those with this personal vendetta against Microsoft...
 
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Jonno2343 said:
Pretty sure we talking about consumer operating systems.
No ones disputing the fact that Linux runs on all of those things
If Linux was so good and Windows so bad in the old days, the OEMs would never have signed such agreements with Microsoft. Yes, they are providing massive discounts on their licenses to the OEMs that exclusively make Windows machines but how many people would even want to buy a computer that was running only Linux? Maybe those with this personal vendetta against Microsoft...
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Linux only came to be in 92, Windows and the OEM deals started in 82 so that argument is null and void. Before Linux the open source model was used in universities only and most of that became what we call Unix today. The problem is not the past, its now and today, I can not simply go and buy any* computer with my OS of choice.

Also the fact that the damage has been done now adds to this problem. If you want to play any current games, you have to buy M$, if you want to run an office, the damage is done, M$ Outlook is now standard you have no freedom to use your own. Sure you can try and run LibreOffice but the business standard is M$ with XML and VB scripts and all and if any company just tries to mimic them they get beaten with the Patent stick.

* Any as in pick a model and go, not as in select models with it on.

Jonno2343 said:
In that case, you're saying that no Os should be updated or improved because it should launch with ALL the features one would ever need.
I'd say that the one feature you decided to list that isn't available right now is a pretty good start for a young OS.
I'm happy that when Mango comes out, WP7 will have pretty much all the features that Android and iOS have. Because of that I believe that it will have a VERY strong chance at overtaking IOS in the future. Almost no way it will overtake Android though as it will find its way onto multiple devices.
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No I am not saying that I am saying the market is not taking because they full of promises and not delivering.

Maybe I am just upset or impatient, the fact that we have software that is available on all 3 OS's and actually have a full time Microsoft developer and only had 4 downloads of the software on Windows market vs the 1000's on the other 2.
 
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they need a new term for these phones running a big os , almost all phones are now smartphones
 
Elimentals said:
Maybe I am just upset or impatient, the fact that we have software that is available on all 3 OS's and actually have a full time Microsoft developer and only had 4 downloads of the software on Windows market vs the 1000's on the other 2.
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Which company do you work for and what is the app? South Africans can't register as developers on the WP7 marketplace, neither can we buy.
 
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Jonno2343 said:
Which company do you work for and what is the app? South Africans can't register as developers on the WP7 marketplace, neither can we buy.
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NZ company selling a service for AU, NZ and US markets.

SA totally excluded and we moving into UK markets.
 
Maybe not such a bad idea http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/25/us-microsoft-idUSTRE74O8BQ20110525

(Reuters) - Influential hedge fund manager David Einhorn has called for Microsoft Corp Chief Executive Steve Ballmer to step down, saying the world's largest software company's long-time leader is stuck in the past.

Microsoft, which was the largest U.S. company by market value in the late 1990s, has seen its stock stand still for the past 10 years as it failed to attack new Internet and mobile computing markets, surrendering leadership of the tech sector to Apple Inc.

Microsoft shares shot up 0.87 percent in after-hours trading, the most of any Dow Jones industrial average component.

Many have been privately critical of Ballmer, but Einhorn's remarks are the most pointed yet from a high-profile investor.

Einhorn's Greenlight Capital hedge fund has been a recent buyer of Microsoft stock, which at under 10 times expected earnings is regarded by many as undervalued.

Greenlight currently holds about 9 million shares in Microsoft, or 0.11 percent of the company's outstanding shares, according to Thomson Reuters data.

Speaking at the annual Ira Sohn Investment Research Conference in New York on Wednesday, Einhorn said it was time for Ballmer -- who succeeded co-founder Bill Gates in 2000 -- to step aside and "give someone else a chance."

"His continued presence is the biggest overhang on Microsoft's stock," he said.

On Tuesday, Microsoft was overtaken by IBM in market value for the first time in 15 years, chiefly because of its static shares. Apple roared past it last year to become the world's most valuable tech company.

An investor who put $100,000 into Microsoft stock 10 years ago would now have about $69,000 worth.

Einhorn, the president of Greenlight Capital, which had $7.8 billion of assets as of January 1, first rose to prominence for making a prescient call on Lehman Brothers' accounting troubles before the bank's subsequent collapse.

Shares of Microsoft edged up 0.87 percent to $24.40 in afterhours trade from a regular-session close of $24.19.
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Maybe Windows Phone will take off if they get Gates back :)
 
Elimentals, I agree 100% with that article. Ballmer does not project the right image for a high-tech cutting-edge corporation that Microsoft wishes to be. Microsoft needs a younger energetic passionate person (female CEO will be very good). Ballmer is boring.
 
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