Why You Should Avoid Taking Vaccines

[Alan]

Normal flu vaccinations are an educated guess at best. All I know is when they come out with a vaccine for Swine Flu I'm taking it.

Even if it's rushed and not properly tested?

A mass vaccination programme moves ever closer. Orders have been placed; priority groups identified. There will be enough swine flu vaccine to inoculate the entire population, starting with NHS staff, in an attempt to halt the spread of the disease and save lives.

Is all this really necessary? To start with, swine flu is far milder than we first feared, so the case for vaccinating millions of healthy adults against a disease that is no more unpleasant than a bad cold is questionable. There is a stronger argument for vaccinating those at greater risk, such as those with lung, heart or kidney disease, those with suppressed immune systems (such as those on cancer treatment), pregnant women and children under 5 — but only if the vaccine works and is safe. But there are serious doubts about this.

Rushing the vaccine on to the market means we will have no idea how effective it is, although we do have a body of research on the effectiveness of flu vaccines in general, which gives some idea of what we might expect from the swine flu vaccine. Provided that we have matched the vaccine well with the virus, it is likely to be up to 80 per cent effective in healthy adults, the group at least risk from the virus.

We have experience of mass vaccination against swine flu from which lessons should be learnt. In America in 1976 a vaccine was offered to the whole population to prevent the spread of an epidemic of swine flu. Millions were rapidly immunised, but the vaccination campaign was stopped after a rise in cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) among recipients of the vaccine. GBS is an autoimmune disorder that causes paralysis of the arms or legs or, rarely, the whole body; the sufferer usually makes a complete recovery, but some suffer permanent paralysis and a few die. Research later estimated that there was one case of GBS caused by every 100,000 swine flu vaccines given. If the current vaccine caused a similar rate of cases, then we could expect hundreds of people to get GBS, some of whom will suffer permanent paralysis or die.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6722428.ece

If you're vulnerable then yes maybe but is it really worth the risk?

 

[semiautomatix]

So if they can't even get the normal flu right, why would you be confident that they will get this strain right?

"Normal" flu is several strains. If a strain gets into this country that isn't in the recommended vaccine you can still get it.

 

[mercurial]

What's the number and how does it compare to the number of people who didnt get sick or those that got only slightly sick thanks to the vaccine.

I don't have the numbers. I'm merely referencing personal experiences. It may be that the few people I have encountered are the unlucky ones, but it seems rather odd for this to be co-incidence.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaccineeffect.htmThree out of thousands of possibilities.

Like I said - the swine flu vaccine will be targeted. Sniper rifle vs shotgun.

Again, the targeting of the strain is not what I'm worried about. My concern is how effective it would be, since the people I know have complained that the flu vaccines don't work well. But I guess it will be targeted better, as it is a single strain they are looking at.

 

[semiautomatix]

Well i think bwana is just saying if they came out with something that may work he would take it.

I never get a flu shot anymore and get sick every year but only a throat infection, the one year i had a flu shot i got the worse bronchitis of my life, i have never in my life been as sick as i was that week.

I will take a throat infection over that any day.

As far as I'm concerned a healthy adult below the age of about 65 need not take any flu vaccines. If you get it go to a doctor and you'll be fine after a few days. There is never enough vaccines, rather give it to the children and old aged.

 

[mercurial]

"Normal" flu is several strains. If a strain gets into this country that isn't in the recommended vaccine you can still get it.

Yeah, I'm aware that it's several strains.

 

[Conradl]

Imagine a world still rife with smallpox and polio.

The problem is that Polio has not been completely wiped out. In addition to lack of services, poor health coverage, war etc, Polio continues to spread thanks to the myth that Polio vaccination causes more problems than what it solves. (There are also religious reasons, and a notion that the "evil West" is trying to dump unnecessary drugs on Africa.)

That fact is that people have adverse reactions to literally EVERYTHING. Some people die from taking Panado; others die from eating Peanuts. People simply do not understand the point of Vaccination; and respond emotionally to any negative press (usually written by journalists and not medical professionals.).

 

[semiautomatix]

The problem is that Polio has not been completely wiped out. In addition to lack of services, poor health coverage, war etc, Polio continues to spread thanks to the myth that Polio vaccination causes more problems than what it solves. (There are also religious reasons, and a notion that the "evil West" is trying to dump unnecessary drugs on Africa.)

That fact is that people have adverse reactions to literally EVERYTHING. Some people die from taking Panado; others die from eating Peanuts. People simply do not understand the point of Vaccination; and respond emotionally to any negative press (usually written by journalists and not medical professionals.).

However, using smallpox as a base case we can prove that vaccines do work. Polio can be eliminated, but as long as there are nutters out there that don't believe in the vaccine we will need to vaccinate ourselves.

 

[Zombrainy]

"human diploid cells from aborted fetal tissue" FTW!

 

[Kilgore_Trout_Redux]

I'd personally hate to be the father who has to explain to their chiild that the reason they are crippled is because daddy and mommy are deluded conspiracy nuts.

 

[Aeron]

"So if they can't even get the normal flu right, why would you be confident that they will get this strain right?"

Good point. Flu shots tend to make people a lot sicker. And normal flu is just as dangerous as swine flu, but the whole world is begging for a vaccination because of the word "swine" in the title and the media orgasm it led to.

Nice going to the people who say others without vaccinations are a threat to everyone else and should be dealt with accordingly. So if the AIDS vaccine is "proven" to work (the last vaccine created by the giant Merck and Co caused a dramatic increase in susceptibility to AIDS), would you take it? Remember, an AIDS vaccine contains AIDS and if something goes wrong (everyone reacts differently to things) you've got AIDS. Maybe a batch of faulty vaccines. And how would you feel if that same AIDS vaccine, produced by the lowest bidder, is forced down on you?

Indoctrination ftl!

One day the world will wake up and realise that doctors are not gods. Sure, a surgeon has the precision skills to cut you up and make you live through it, but a GP and Internal Medicine practitioners make their money out of keeping people sick and ensuring that the general public thinks a doctor's word is law and that only doctors know whats good for you and that peoeple will obey its orders like a sheep. Doctors have nearly absolute power when it comes to the general public. If a doctor says do that, people DO THAT! Absolute power corrupts absolutely, does it not?

I guess it does sound like a conspiracy theory from that angle. But consider this: For the same reason that a personal injury lawyer loves a good car explosion, that an arms company loves a good war and a presidency loves a good crisis, a doctor loves the sick and the dying.

 

[Vinia]

trust me, I've reached the top of the medical career on sims 3

We live in Africa. Ignore the hacks snd vaccinate your kids against everything.

+1 And your pets too. Rabies is still a problem, especially in KZN and the lowveld.

I flipped out once, reading a South African expats forum thread about the HPV vaccine. Simply put, its a life saving vac against some of the biggest viral causes of various cancers. When I read that thread, the vac was not available in Africa (its in Kenya now, but very expensive). Some US states want to make it free and mandatory. Some of the expats who were in the USA, UK & Aus were saying no way they'd let their kids get vaccinated, because the vaccine would encourage them to wh0re around. A view shared by the religious right & conservatives over there.

The vac is not some experimental African potato/lowest bidder cocktail at all. I don't see the point of leaving disease & general backwardness in Africa, if you are going to turn down your new country's 1st world health care & means of providing a better quality of life, superior public services etc. It must be some sort of default mistrust of government health proposals or a post traumatic issue from having had Manto here.

 

[Voicy]

The probability of dying from lack of vaccines FAR outweighs the possibility of dying from vaccine-caused sickness.

 

[Waaib]

When my sis and her hubby returned from several years in the UK she was pregnant. They came back with a long list of reasons and morals and principals about why they would not vaccinate their kiddo. After 2 sessions with different paediatricians they quickly changed their opinion. I can't remember the detail but there was mention of one Dr laughing at them and refusing to be involved in the 'quackery' (his word) of not vaccinating.

 

[ifeelcrazy123]

The only thing that is disturbing is the increasingly vocal anti-vaccine nutters. Ignore these loonies. People who are not vaccinated against dangerous diseases pose a threat to everyone else and should be treated accordingly.

As for the alleged quote from Dr James Shannon please show me this quote in work published by the doctor, so I can see it in context.

Agreed, not vaccinating your child can lead to other diseases and further complications later in life. Some children will have different effects to the vaccines then others, unfortunately that's a chance you take,but if it works for the majority I see no reason why not to get it.

 

[ifeelcrazy123]

Well i think bwana is just saying if they came out with something that may work he would take it.

I never get a flu shot anymore and get sick every year but only a throat infection, the one year i had a flu shot i got the worse bronchitis of my life, i have never in my life been as sick as i was that week.

I will take a throat infection over that any day.

You probably got sick because it was your first time getting the flu shot...it's quite common for people not used to it getting flu worse then others for the first year, plus if you had even a slight sniffle and took the flu shot it would be no surprise that you got sick.

And also the flu shot isn't meant for everyone, but if you have a tendency towards asthma and get very sick every winter, it works very well.

My boyfriend hasn't been sick once this year, despite the flu and diseases going around and he got the flu shot. Also one of my co-workers got bronchitis every year and after getting the flu shot 3 years in a row, it never came back.

 

[Serqet]

I was vaccinated when i was a child and i'm normal and healthy. SO i dont' believe this bogus about not vaccinating your children.

As for the flu vaccine. It's unfair to blame the vaccine for you getting the flu. The flu constantly mutates and they cannot keep up with the various strains going around. However, you do have protection against a wide variety of flu strains and it has been known to be successful in preventing your flu from turning into bronchitis or pneumonia. Doctors do not claim that if you have a flu shot you will not get flu. You probably will but it will be far milder. You also still have to protect your immune system during this time period as your body is building antibodies and at its weakest. It stands to reason one would think.

 

[Vinia]

The probability of dying from lack of vaccines FAR outweighs the possibility of dying from vaccine-caused sickness.

Yip. Rather take my chances with the medicine thank you very much. I took yellow fever & anti malaria shots and tablets before traveling a couple of years ago. It was That R700 worth of meds felt like R700 worth of tequila shots. But it only lasted 2 days and I never got yellow fever or malaria, despite being in hot spot for both of those for over a week (rainy season too, so lots of mozzies got me).

When my sis and her hubby returned from several years in the UK she was pregnant. They came back with a long list of reasons and morals and principals about why they would not vaccinate their kiddo. After 2 sessions with different paediatricians they quickly changed their opinion. I can't remember the detail but there was mention of one Dr laughing at them and refusing to be involved in the 'quackery' (his word) of not vaccinating.

lol, that's a cool doctor . A friend of mine showed me her little baby's immunization card. The list of things that are being prevented is extensive! I reckon people get into this comfort zone of thinking we're strong enough to survive "naturally" now. Because of all the vaccines and immunization drives, many people have never known or seen a polio sufferer, someone with leprosy etc in real life. And because of that, its assumed that no preventative meds are needed anymore.

I won't even go near unpasteurized milk. I don't care what the organic farmers & greenie beanies say.

 

[Aeron]

Vinia, for a moment there I thought you were being naive and sheep-like on purpose. But when I saw your location status, I knew it was by accident. You took the blue pill, well done.

 

[Vinia]

Vinia, for a moment there I thought you were being naive and sheep-like on purpose. But when I saw your location status, I knew it was by accident. You took the blue pill, well done.

I'm not in the Matrix or Maine right now

I'm not blindly pro everything doctors & the medical profession claim. One of my pet peeves is the influence of big pharma's money/lobby on legislation both in SA & the USA. Its much worse in the USA because a lot of medications are approved based on which company is bribing the FDA officials. There have been some high profile cases where officials approved medications from certain pharmaceutical giants & then retire/resign and somehow end up in a multimillion dollar jobs at the companies.

Also when big pharma sees a threat to profits they get it banned, like in the diet supplement industry with ephedra, ephedrine & pseudoephedrine. But the pseudoeph in flu meds from those companies remains mysteriously unbanned/unregulated.

 

[Aeron]

"I'm not blindly pro everything doctors & the medical profession claim. One of my pet peeves is the influence of big pharma's money/lobby on legislation both in SA & the USA. Its much worse in the USA because a lot of medications are approved based on which company is bribing the FDA officials. There have been some high profile cases where officials approved medications from certain pharmaceutical giants & then retire/resign and somehow end up in a multimillion dollar jobs at the companies.

Also when big pharma sees a threat to profits they get it banned, like in the diet supplement industry with ephedra, ephedrine & pseudoephedrine. But the pseudoeph in flu meds from those companies remains mysteriously unbanned/unregulated."

You say something like this and yet you still agree with vaccines like every other sheep out there. Great doctors who know everything, but you understand how the pharma industry works, contradicting yourself?

You trust the "masterminds" behind the "scheme" that is out to bleed you dry of every penny in your name, to care for you at your most vulnerable?

Gods and apples, what wasted potential.