Why your 24/7 downloading is a problem ?

[bullzeye.za]

What you're not taking into account is that a good ISP tries to keep as much traffic internally as possible.

Torrents, NZBs, websites - All these things can be cached locally, and therefore use considerably less of their pipe than you would think.

Think about CDN nodes too - This is where a huge portion of content is stored, and evert CDN provider has a local source nowdays too, which is accessed through things like JINX and SAIX.

For exactly this reason, MWEB set up their local Steam server.

On a given month, you are probably doing 70% of your usage to the local datacenter, rather than to the source.

 

[AlphaJohn]

Here is a question:

Does this abuse include downloads from say Steam servers at MWEB. I recently(Last month) reloaded my PC and zapped the wrong drive. Now downloading the entire 800+ GB game installs 24/7 on a 1 meg line (So gonna take me some time esp seeing that the download drops to 30 Kb/s during the day.)

Is that seen as abuse, esp seeing that I am only using the link from me to MWEB and not to the rest of the internet.

TLDR: Could someone somewhere in the world define MWEB DSL abuse?

 

[icyrus]

Hi

This is a very basic version of just why 24/7 full speed is a problem for ISP's

TLDR Version: You are slowing others down and costing ISP's more money than you pay.

On a 1mbps account you can theoretically download roughly 10 gigabytes per day.

Here are some rough monthly totals:

1mbps uncapped connection: 300 GB per month
2mbps uncapped connection: 600 GB per month
4mbps uncapped connection: 1200 GB per month
10mbps uncapped connection: 3000 GB per month

So by your estimate, what percentage over these totals is considered abuse?

 

[qdada]

I see both sides of the argument and 3 pages later it sounds to me a matter of 'dont hate the player, hate the game' type of a situation here.

My other issue is that as high end user move away from MWEB, are we likely to see elevated restrictions from the likes of Openweb, Afrihost ?

 

[Robin Hood]

long story short...get a CAPPED account....and you know EXACTLY where you stand

 

[droplet]

i have a 4mb uncapped mweb account.

i download a lot of stuff to watch. i stream a LOT of stuff. i download games and patch them. in the last 12 months i have used 1988990.99GB (almost 2TB). that is an average of 165GB a month, or 5.5GB a day. i received no letter. people who did must surely be using INSANE amounts!

i frequently have a throughput of 6-7mb (no idea why). i am happy to stay with mweb.

 

[Chevron]

i download a lot of stuff to watch. i stream a LOT of stuff. i download games and patch them. in the last 12 months i have used 1988990.99GB (almost 2TB). that is an average of 165GB a month, or 5.5GB a day. i received no letter. people who did must surely be using INSANE amounts!

Most people do that usage in 2months.

 

[AlphaJohn]

i have a 4mb uncapped mweb account.

i download a lot of stuff to watch. i stream a LOT of stuff. i download games and patch them. in the last 12 months i have used 1988990.99GB (almost 2TB). that is an average of 165GB a month, or 5.5GB a day. i received no letter. people who did must surely be using INSANE amounts!

i frequently have a throughput of 6-7mb (no idea why). i am happy to stay with mweb.

Now add a family of 4+ with that usage pattern and you can see how it escalates.

 

[DJ...]

MWEB have always said this right from the start.

Home uncapped products aren't designed for 24/7 downloading.

If they were you'd be paying a lot more.

They're not nailing 24/7 downloaders, so that statement is worthless within the context of this situation...

 

[Necuno]

Now add a family of 4+ with that usage pattern and you can see how it escalates.

Not really. Some people think that a person using their product still lives in the basement of their mommies. Really... home account for a family, you must be joking, they must take up a business account. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[Crowley]

My other issue is that as high end user move away from MWEB, are we likely to see elevated restrictions from the likes of Openweb, Afrihost ?

We've moved away from mweb long ago. They are going after the next bunch of people now.

 

[Chevron]

Not really. Some people think that a person using their product still lives in the basement of their mommies. Really... home account for a family, you must be joking, they must take up a business account. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

You do know the Afrihost business account are actually cheaper than mweb?

 

[Necuno]

You do know the Afrihost business account are actually cheaper than mweb?

Even more cheaper if you bundle...

 

[grok]

Various ISP's do this in different ways, Afrihost has a shaping system for if you are causing a problem, mweb has this rolling window, internet solutions has massive capacity but if they got saturated you could bet that AUP would be used against you.

Man, you're riding this MWEB thing. I wonder .. will this help you achieve myBB stardom?

Two things:

Don't care about the ISP's business, but if they advertise a product they don't intent to fully deliver it's a problem, and if I agree per contract to the shaped/throttled so the ISP can manage their network, why the threats of excessive usage?

Seems that MWEB wants it's cake and eat it too.

 

[SirFooK'nG]

I've been at MWEB since they introduced the uncapped product. Below is my current usage, and to add to that, during business hours, when I want a torrent in a hurry, I switch to my capped Afrihost account occasionally. (That is included in the usage stats). Pulling more than 100GB a month is hectic imo... Even if I did BR 3D torrents @ 20gb at a time thats 5 movies a month. Theres never that many good movies a month to download anyway!

Well If the "Abusers" (I feel thats a bit unfair to labeled that) jump ship to anther ISP, I hope it will just improve my experience more...
Sorry guys

EDIT: Remember, Afrihost also introduced shaping and rolling thresholds way back in the beginning... (after having rolled out the product - So AUP / FUP was changed)

 

[Seriously]

I've been at MWEB since they introduced the uncapped product. Below is my current usage, and to add to that, during business hours, when I want a torrent in a hurry, I switch to my capped Afrihost account occasionally. (That is included in the usage stats). Pulling more than 100GB a month is hectic imo... Even if I did BR 3D torrents @ 20gb at a time thats 5 movies a month. Theres never that many good movies a month to download anyway!

Well If the "Abusers" (I feel thats a bit unfair to labeled that) jump ship to anther ISP, I hope it will just improve my experience more...
Sorry guys


EDIT: Remember, Afrihost also introduced shaping and rolling thresholds way back in the beginning...

The beginning for Mweb was a long time ago, they revolutionized ADSL so no need to go back to the old roots.

Don't' be sorry. You deserve a price therefore just give yourself a blow job as I cannot!

 

[SirFooK'nG]

The beginning for Mweb was a long time ago, they revolutionized ADSL so no need to go back to the old roots.

Don't' be sorry. You deserve a prize therefore just give yourself a blow job as I cannot!

FTFY ..

Thanx Give yourself a good pat on the back. Hope you feel better ....

 

[Rocket-Boy]

Does anyone still need to argue this point?
You don't offer uncapped accounts and then cap people.

I dont use uncapped because I have a big enough cap for what I need. Do Mweb hard cap or do they throttle at 100GB?
If they arent hard capping then its still uncapped but shaped. If they hard cap then it isnt uncapped. Seems pretty simple to me.

 

[Seriously]

FTFY ..

Thanx Give yourself a good pat on the back. Hope you feel better ....

That was quick, really disappointing but at least did you enjoy the Fooking?

 

[HapticSimian]

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Pulling more than 100GB a month is hectic imo... Even if I did BR 3D torrents @ 20gb at a time thats 5 movies a month. Theres never that many good movies a month to download anyway!

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I use torrents for, maybe, 5 gigs per month. Between Youtube, Netflix and Hulu my wife and I easily breach the 100GB mark every month, and that's not even streaming the highest quality feeds available. Now, I know using Netflix and Hulu locally is a bit of a... erm... grey matter, but do you think a few hours' streaming in the evenings is abusive?

EDIT: Remember, Afrihost also introduced shaping and rolling thresholds way back in the beginning... (after having rolled out the product - So AUP / FUP was changed)

I'm not sure your recollection of events is wholly accurate - I'm not bored enough to go check - but that bolded bit is important; they've subsequently been done away with.