Wikileaks releases pager intercepts from 9/11

[Frankie]

My chirp. It was 19 religiously guided nut0jobs that hijacked the three planes and crashed them into the buildings. On the orders of a towel head named Osama ben laden, may he have a long and painful death, apart from his family and friends at the hands of a flesh eating virus.

These crazy conspiracy theories are most often Islamist propaganda and smoke and mirrors.

Can you imagine how the families of those Islamist hijackers would feel if it proven beyond reasonable doubt that they didn't fly the planes into the buildings, ...... gone are all those perverted rewards in heaven.

Then also spare a thought for the families of the innocent people that died in those terrorist attacks.

 

[MidnightWizard]

Mundane

Interesting, I was watching a new DVD "man on wire" from the BBC about a Frenchman who walked a wire between the two towers in the 1970's and you can see the footage of the towers being built. Solid stuff indeed. Makes you wonder...

One does not seem to find the mundane factual information

Such as

Who were the architects that designed and built the WTC
What were the design criteria
What were the structural parameters
Where are all the photographs of the WTC being built.

Who owned the WTC at the time of it's demise
Was it insured
Was the insurance paid out
To whom was this insurance paid out if any

Who covered the cost of the destruction of the WTC
Who recovered the cost of the destruction of the WTC

Who now owns the land upon which the WTC stood.

You know all these normal mundane day to day normal life stuff
for which normal establsihed legal steps and mundane processings exist.

For which detailed information should be available.


MW

 

[Leitmotif]

• The remains of the bodies of the crew and passengers of American Airlines flight 77 were found at the Pentagon crash site, and positively identified by DNA.

Quick point, but DNA needs records to be compared against. Since the only people whose DNA records are available are those whose DNA was collected in connection with a criminal investigation and those who had certain rare diseases, it's massively unlikely that DNA identification would be viable after the fact.

 

[Balstrome]

One does not seem to find the mundane factual information

Such as

Who were the architects that designed and built the WTC
What were the design criteria
What were the structural parameters
Where are all the photographs of the WTC being built.

Who owned the WTC at the time of it's demise
Was it insured
Was the insurance paid out
To whom was this insurance paid out if any

Who covered the cost of the destruction of the WTC
Who recovered the cost of the destruction of the WTC

Who now owns the land upon which the WTC stood.

You know all these normal mundane day to day normal life stuff
for which normal establsihed legal steps and mundane processings exist.

For which detailed information should be available.


MW

On 9/11 I saw on CNN planes hitting the two towers, as did millions of others. You folk just can not believe that a bunch of religo-nuts could damage the US like that. So you start all your CT crap, to make it as you are still in control. It was Islam that attacked the US, deal with it, harshly and fast I say.

 

[Kloofvreter]

Conspiracy theorists FTL

 

[Kloofvreter]

On 9/11 I saw on CNN planes hitting the two towers, as did millions of others. You folk just can not believe that a bunch of religo-nuts could damage the US like that. So you start all your CT crap, to make it as you are still in control. It was Islam that attacked the US, deal with it, harshly and fast I say.

+1

 

[Palimino]

One does not seem to find the mundane factual information

Such as

Who were the architects that designed and built the WTC
What were the design criteria
What were the structural parameters
Where are all the photographs of the WTC being built.

Who owned the WTC at the time of it's demise
Was it insured
Was the insurance paid out
To whom was this insurance paid out if any

Who covered the cost of the destruction of the WTC
Who recovered the cost of the destruction of the WTC

Who now owns the land upon which the WTC stood.

You know all these normal mundane day to day normal life stuff
for which normal establsihed legal steps and mundane processings exist.

For which detailed information should be available.


MW

You are asking awkward questions. You are obviously a troublemaker and must go for ‘re-education’. Just because the official line has holes you can drive a truck through, is no reason to question the logic that ‘our leaders’ promote.

 

[isankey]

Quick point, but DNA needs records to be compared against. Since the only people whose DNA records are available are those whose DNA was collected in connection with a criminal investigation and those who had certain rare diseases, it's massively unlikely that DNA identification would be viable after the fact.

Um, quick point, it takes a 5 min visit to somebodies bathroom, to pick up their razor or hairbrush, to collect DNA samples suitable for identifying remains.

 

[Frankie]

Um, quick point, it takes a 5 min visit to somebodies bathroom, to pick up their razor or hairbrush, to collect DNA samples suitable for identifying remains.

Did you know that those Islamist hijackers shaved and doused themselves with flower water in preparation for their weddings in Paradise?

 

[icyrus]

No, but I was expecting some damage to the left and right of the hole, and yet there is none. I suggest you do some more research, and from other sources than the US Federal Guavamint website. And as to your last sentence

There is none? You mean other than the massive hole? Have you even seen pictures of the damage done to the outer wall?

Did you know that those Islamist hijackers shaved and doused themselves with flower water in preparation for their weddings in Paradise?

What does that have to do with DNA identification of the passengers on the flights?

 

[Hosehead]

It was Islam that attacked the US,.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10142

 

[Therooster]

Um guys. Sorry to pee on the parade, but the people claiming those buildings fell without some third force (possibly explosives and prossible planted by the terrorists....who knows ?) are kind of arguing against newtonian physics and should consider that before calling any "crazy". You see objects when accelerating (in this case falling) follow the path of least resistance.
Also try this thought experiment. Build a scale model of the tower. Neatly slice off the top tenth of it. Then fiddle with the top layers of the towers heating up some metal etc. Now pick it up and drop it and see if it makes the bottom of the towers collapse entirely. Ok...of course it will bounce of or crumble away to the sides. This is cause of a thing called physics and newton's third law. Next why not do it again...throw it down this time. What's going to happen ? The top is going to get damaged and at most only go down as far as one extra teth of the building. Can't happen any other way. Sorry.

Not saying it was george bush or the bilderburg or the yeti or loch ness monster or any such silly rubbish. Just saying the official explanation is oviously flawed. Why did they even fail to test for explosives ? Why do they still refuse to test for it despite people finding traces of thermite in the rubble ? As I said...instead they found the most plausible "theory" of how the towers fell that didn't involve explosions and wrapped it up (they call it piston theory...pancake theory itself even nist eventually admitted was a farce). This is very bad bad science. The clearest most obvious solution to why these three towers fell is simple ...explosions. Why not test for it ? Occam's razor my friends.

The scientific method was been raped here. Why ?

They were inept ? Or conspiracy ? You decide.

 

[Frankie]

Um guys. Sorry to pee on the parade, but the people claiming those buildings fell without some third force (possibly explosives and prossible planted by the terrorists....who knows ?) are kind of arguing against newtonian physics and should consider that before calling any "crazy". You see objects when accelerating (in this case falling) follow the path of least resistance.
Also try this thought experiment. Build a scale model of the tower. Neatly slice off the top tenth of it. Then fiddle with the top layers of the towers heating up some metal etc. Now pick it up and drop it and see if it makes the bottom of the towers collapse entirely. Ok...of course it will bounce of or crumble away to the sides. This is cause of a thing called physics and newton's third law. Next why not do it again...throw it down this time. What's going to happen ? The top is going to get damaged and at most only go down as far as one extra teth of the building. Can't happen any other way. Sorry.

Not saying it was george bush or the bilderburg or the yeti or loch ness monster or any such silly rubbish. Just saying the official explanation is oviously flawed. Why did they even fail to test for explosives ? Why do they still refuse to test for it despite people finding traces of thermite in the rubble ? As I said...instead they found the most plausible "theory" of how the towers fell that didn't involve explosions and wrapped it up (they call it piston theory...pancake theory itself even nist eventually admitted was a farce). This is very bad bad science. The clearest most obvious solution to why these three towers fell is simple ...explosions. Why not test for it ? Occam's razor my friends.

The scientific method was been raped here. Why ?

They were inept ? Or conspiracy ? You decide.

And how does the Islamic terrorists fit into your grand scheme?

 

[icyrus]

Um guys. Sorry to pee on the parade, but the people claiming those buildings fell without some third force (possibly explosives and prossible planted by the terrorists....who knows ?) are kind of arguing against newtonian physics and should consider that before calling any "crazy". You see objects when accelerating (in this case falling) follow the path of least resistance.
Also try this thought experiment. Build a scale model of the tower. Neatly slice off the top tenth of it. Then fiddle with the top layers of the towers heating up some metal etc. Now pick it up and drop it and see if it makes the bottom of the towers collapse entirely. Ok...of course it will bounce of or crumble away to the sides. This is cause of a thing called physics and newton's third law. Next why not do it again...throw it down this time. What's going to happen ? The top is going to get damaged and at most only go down as far as one extra teth of the building. Can't happen any other way. Sorry.

Not saying it was george bush or the bilderburg or the yeti or loch ness monster or any such silly rubbish. Just saying the official explanation is oviously flawed. Why did they even fail to test for explosives ? Why do they still refuse to test for it despite people finding traces of thermite in the rubble ? As I said...instead they found the most plausible "theory" of how the towers fell that didn't involve explosions and wrapped it up (they call it piston theory...pancake theory itself even nist eventually admitted was a farce). This is very bad bad science. The clearest most obvious solution to why these three towers fell is simple ...explosions. Why not test for it ? Occam's razor my friends.

The scientific method was been raped here. Why ?

They were inept ? Or conspiracy ? You decide.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Alan]

One would have thought the rise of the Obamisiah would shut up the looney tinfoil hat brigade.

Guess not

 

[Ou grote]

Um guys. Sorry to pee on the parade, but the people claiming those buildings fell without some third force (possibly explosives and prossible planted by the terrorists....who knows ?) are kind of arguing against newtonian physics and should consider that before calling any "crazy". You see objects when accelerating (in this case falling) follow the path of least resistance.
Also try this thought experiment. Build a scale model of the tower. Neatly slice off the top tenth of it. Then fiddle with the top layers of the towers heating up some metal etc. Now pick it up and drop it and see if it makes the bottom of the towers collapse entirely. Ok...of course it will bounce of or crumble away to the sides. This is cause of a thing called physics and newton's third law. Next why not do it again...throw it down this time. What's going to happen ? The top is going to get damaged and at most only go down as far as one extra teth of the building. Can't happen any other way. Sorry.

Not saying it was george bush or the bilderburg or the yeti or loch ness monster or any such silly rubbish. Just saying the official explanation is oviously flawed. Why did they even fail to test for explosives ? Why do they still refuse to test for it despite people finding traces of thermite in the rubble ? As I said...instead they found the most plausible "theory" of how the towers fell that didn't involve explosions and wrapped it up (they call it piston theory...pancake theory itself even nist eventually admitted was a farce). This is very bad bad science. The clearest most obvious solution to why these three towers fell is simple ...explosions. Why not test for it ? Occam's razor my friends.

The scientific method was been raped here. Why ?

They were inept ? Or conspiracy ? You decide.

It was on live tv btw.
You probably hadn't been hatched yet.

 

[JHatman]

It was on live tv btw.
You probably hadn't been hatched yet.

Yup. No matter how many re-make video's I've seen with explosion sounds and missiles attached to aircraft edits I've seen so far, I remember seeing the originals, live, as it happened and there were no explosions, no rockets

 

[isankey]

Did you know that those Islamist hijackers shaved and doused themselves with flower water in preparation for their weddings in Paradise?

No, actually, I'd not heard that.

But it's pretty irrelevant. We're not talking fingerprints left behind on something that can be wiped off with a damp cloth, we're talking an integral part of every single cell in the body. So, unless they somehow managed to strip the DNA from every single cell in their bodies, pretty much any other cell of theirs from any other source can be use to obtain a match and positively identify them.

 

[Frankie]

No, actually, I'd not heard that.

But it's pretty irrelevant. We're not talking fingerprints left behind on something that can be wiped off with a damp cloth, we're talking an integral part of every single cell in the body. So, unless they somehow managed to strip the DNA from every single cell in their bodies, pretty much any other cell of theirs from any other source can be use to obtain a match and positively identify them.

And would this change the fact that Islamists flew planes into the buildings?

 

[isankey]

Well, it'll at least confirm they were in the plane at the time.
And finding tissue belonging to one or more of the terrorists in the cockpit, smeared all over what remains of the flight controls, where it has no business at all being, would be really suggestive of them having been responsible at that.

Certainly enough so to convince me beyond resonable doubt that they were responisble.