Windows 10 Fall Creators Update

[RedViking]

Not so. This option has always been available. I deliberately set all my connections to a metered connection from the very start of windows 10.

Not true. I have latest Windows 10 Professional before Creators Update. There is no option for Ethernet. Have to set it in Group Policy.

 

[Geoff.D]

It is impossible for either of us to "WIN" this debate, pun intended .

Both of us would have to go and take a machine, reload the very first version of Windows 10 from scratch, check what is available and the repeat for each version. Neither you nor I will be prepared to do this just for the sake of proving this point.

Suffice to say, that IF you have changed anything in Group Policy AND you do not restore ALL the defaults BEFORE you go through an update process, you cannot say what is available in a vanilla version and what is not.

The fact is that it is possible in WIN 10 Pro to set ANY network to a metered connection and this has always been possible. It is even possible in WIN 10 Home. Whether this is because you choose to use group policies or registry edits or whatever else you find on the Internet it is possible.

So claiming that is not possible is just wrong .... and misleading.

sajunky has such an ingrained prejudice against all things Windows that he has completely lost his objectivity on these matters.

 

[RedViking]

It is impossible for either of us to "WIN" this debate, pun intended .

Both of us would have to go and take a machine, reload the very first version of Windows 10 from scratch, check what is available and the repeat for each version. Neither you nor I will be prepared to do this just for the sake of proving this point.

Suffice to say, that IF you have changed anything in Group Policy AND you do not restore ALL the defaults BEFORE you go through an update process, you cannot say what is available in a vanilla version and what is not.

The fact is that it is possible in WIN 10 Pro to set ANY network to a metered connection and this has always been possible. It is even possible in WIN 10 Home. Whether this is because you choose to use group policies or registry edits or whatever else you find on the Internet it is possible.

So claiming that is not possible is just wrong .... and misleading.

sajunky has such an ingrained prejudice against all things Windows that he has completely lost his objectivity on these matters.

I hear you. I'm just gonna argue a little bit more:

I am now on the latest version of Windows 10 Pro available besides the creators update. There is no option for a metered connection. When I upgraded from the Honourable Windows 7 Pro (May your soul rest in peace) to Windows 10 Pro, there was no option to set as metered connection. Doing a Google search also confirms what I am seeing on my PC and that it is not possible.

"Windows 10 doesn't provide an easy way to set an Ethernet connection as metered or non-metered." Ten Forums

" but for some reason Windows assumes you won’t need to do this with wired Ethernet connections. If you use an ISP that has monthly data caps, you know better. The good news is that a quick Registry edit will fix you right up." How to geek

"On the Creators Update, Microsoft now easily allows you to set a wired Ethernet connection as metered, too." How to geek

"If you have a metered internet connection, setting your network connection as metered within Windows 10 will help to reduce the amount of data you're allowed to use in a given month. The problem is that the operating system only offers this option for Wi-Fi or cellular data connections, " Windows Central

Only since the Creators Update this is possible.

 

[JollyJamma]

I’ve deferred all updates to Windows until Microsoft have resolved their ****. They pushed updates that broke a lot of machines.

 

[RedViking]

I’ve deferred all updates to Windows until Microsoft have resolved their ****. They pushed updates that broke a lot of machines.

I put it on let me know there is an update, but don't download.

As a Freelancer who works over the internet and communicate with different countries these blatantly forceful updates is the most pathetic thing Windows has ever done. I will control my PC and do with it what I want and when I want to... apple can go... uhm sorry, windows can go jump through door.

 

[Geoff.D]

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" but for some reason Windows assumes you won’t need to do this with wired Ethernet connections. If you use an ISP that has monthly data caps, you know better. The good news is that a quick Registry edit will fix you right up." How to geek

Well that is probably why many of us took the trouble to study what WIN 10 does and what you need to change to make it behave like you want it to.
Sucking for years on a sub optimal ADSL connection ≤ to 2Mbps, made us look for all sorts of ways to optimize data usage.

It is called RTFM. Us non-IT types who do not generally have any preconceived ideas about anything tend to go to well respected websites to look for solutions.

So finally, the creators version of Windows now makes it "easy" ? I will have a look as soon as my main PC gets the new update to see what has changed.

At the moment, all I have done is ensure that those that depend on me maintaining their machines have an easy transition without any hassles, and so far it has been a smooth process.

 

[Geoff.D]

I put it on let me know there is an update, but don't download.

As a Freelancer who works over the internet and communicate with different countries these blatantly forceful updates is the most pathetic thing Windows has ever done. I will control my PC and do with it what I want and when I want to... apple can go... uhm sorry, windows can go jump through door.

Yes none of the PCs I maintain automatically do anything. I trigger the updates when it suits the owners and me. It is not difficult to do. Just takes some time to understand how to do it. No update ever surprises me anymore.

 

[RedViking]

Well that is probably why many of us took the trouble to study what WIN 10 does and what you need to change to make it behave like you want it to.
Sucking for years on a sub optimal ADSL connection ≤ to 2Mbps, made us look for all sorts of ways to optimize data usage.

It is called RTFM. Us non-IT types who do not generally have any preconceived ideas about anything tend to go to well respected websites to look for solutions.

So finally, the creators version of Windows now makes it "easy" ? I will have a look as soon as my main PC gets the new update to see what has changed.

At the moment, all I have done is ensure that those that depend on me maintaining their machines have an easy transition without any hassles, and so far it has been a smooth process.

Yes there are many ways to skin a cat. Registry, Services, Group Policy.... but Windows is fighting against it. Not that I think they will win. I don't want ANY updates downloaded unless I approve it and on my own time.

 

[RedViking]

Yes none of the PCs I maintain automatically do anything. I trigger the updates when it suits the owners and me. It is not difficult to do. Just takes some time to understand how to do it. No update ever surprises me anymore.

Why does Window want to take this control away?

 

[Geoff.D]

Yes there are many ways to skin a cat. Registry, Services, Group Policy.... but Windows is fighting against it. Not that I think they will win. I don't want ANY updates downloaded unless I approve it and on my own time.

I am not sure if you can lay the "blame" if you want to blame anyone at all for this. People just do not want to be bothered anymore. As much as "they" complain about "big brother watching them", they quite comfortable with "big brother" doing all sorts of things on their behalf. "People" seem to like being able to be led by the nose. I suppose I should be calling them Sheople.

 

[RedViking]

I am not sure if you can lay the "blame" if you want to blame anyone at all for this. People just do not want to be bothered anymore. As much as "they" complain about "big brother watching them", they quite comfortable with "big brother" doing all sorts of things on their behalf. "People" seem to like being able to be led by the nose. I suppose I should be calling them Sheople.

Agree.

 

[Arthur]

Why does Window want to take this control away?

In your worst nightmare you cannot imagine the headache of supporting one-and-a-half billion PCs where two-thirds of those calling Support are using old and out-of-date versions of Windows. In a very large percentage of cases the phone-in support issues could have been resolved had the user bothered to update.

Auto-update is the future for all our devices. Many consumer devices do it. Apps and OSs on mobiles do it. If it's OK for Google and Apple to do, why not Microsoft?

 

[RedViking]

In your worst nightmare you cannot imagine the headache of supporting one-and-a-half billion PCs where two-thirds of those calling Support are using old and out-of-date versions of Windows. In a very large percentage of cases the phone-in support issues could have been resolved had the user bothered to update.

I hear what you say. But then at least make it "easy" to bypass the forced methods for those who know what they are doing. Instead they are trying harder to prevent it.

 

[Arthur]

I hear what you say. But then at least make it "easy" to bypass the forced methods for those who know what they are doing. Instead they are trying harder to prevent it.

I agree. A power end-user who knows that's s/he's doing should have full control. And they can - if they know what they're doing.

Also, the biggest support headache comes from so-called self-styled "Knowledgeable Users" and junior SEs, who think they know what they're doing but don't ... they cut their teeth on older versions of Windows and think the same applies to future versions. Examples on this forum are legion.

 

[Geoff.D]

In your worst nightmare you cannot imagine the headache of supporting one-and-a-half billion PCs where two-thirds of those calling Support are using old and out-of-date versions of Windows. In a very large percentage of cases the phone-in support issues could have been resolved had the user bothered to update.

Sitting on that side of the fence, sure. But then trying to use the "official" Microsoft support centres is a pretty disappointing process generally. I do not think I ever got a credible solution to any problem out of the Microsoft sites.

Not doing updates at all is a recipe for disaster, All most of us want is for the process to be controlled by us not forced on us for whatever reason we have, whether it is because of the software we run, the data connections we have or the impacts on our time. I am quite happy with Microsoft nagging me about an update so long as I maintain control over the process.

 

[RedViking]

Sitting on that side of the fence, sure. But then trying to use the "official" Microsoft support centres is a pretty disappointing process generally. I do not think I ever got a credible solution to any problem out of the Microsoft sites.

Not doing updates at all is a recipe for disaster, All most of us want is for the process to be controlled by us not forced on us for whatever reason we have, whether it is because of the software we run, the data connections we have or the impacts on our time. I am quite happy with Microsoft nagging me about an update so long as I maintain control over the process.

But this is it. They desperately want to take that control away. So it appears to me anyways.

 

[Geoff.D]

I agree. A power end-user who knows that's s/he's doing should have full control. And they can - if they know what they're doing.

Also, the biggest support headache comes from so-called self-styled "Knowledgeable Users" and junior SEs, who think they know what they're doing but don't ... they cut their teeth on older versions of Windows and think the same applies to future versions. Examples on this forum are legion.

And that is exactly what I have found. The most dangerous assumption is to assume what applied to Win XP, Win 7 or Win 8 still applies to Win 10. Or worse older versions of Windows ....

Fortunately, I never went through the Win 7, Win 8 versions. And IF you are prepared to take a long hard look at the newer version you have no problem in adjusting, BUT then you must be prepared to RTFM or whatever the equivalent is.

 

[Arthur]

Sitting on that side of the fence, sure. But then trying to use the "official" Microsoft support centres is a pretty disappointing process generally. I do not think I ever got a credible solution to any problem out of the Microsoft sites.

That's true.

Over 80% of Windows licences worldwide are OEM, ie shipped with the hardware. Part of the OEM agreement is that the OEM is responsible for first-level tech support. In the USA or major European countries, end-users phone the hardware supplier for support. In SA, not so much. For customers who have certain types of VPA (volume purchase agreement), Microsoft provides direct support - and that is very different to what a consumer sees.

I'm not defending lousy support, just pointing out that the situation if far more complex than many realise. There are many, many wrinkles - and a good reason for them.

 

[Geoff.D]

In the end it is your PC, Laptop, phone, car whatever. If you want it to work for you, you need to take the time to understand it. Really simple.

Local OEM support on PCs is virtually non existent. It is rare that you get to a person that really knows.

An example I ma trying to help with at the moment is an I-pad that refuse to allow the owner to read and open protected pdf documents, which we all get these days form banks, municipalities etc.

The local Apple support told the poor owner that his best bet is to go and buy a PC because " that is the only way he is going to be able to open the pdfs".

I just refuse to believe this. There must be a way to sort out the issue. If that is the case why does anyone touch Apple devices at all!

 

[RedViking]

In the end it is your PC, Laptop, phone, car whatever. If you want it to work for you, you need to take the time to understand it. Really simple.

Local OEM support on PCs is virtually non existent. It is rare that you get to a person that really knows.

An example I ma trying to help with at the moment is an I-pad that refuse to allow the owner to read and open protected pdf documents, which we all get these days form banks, municipalities etc.

The local Apple support told the poor owner that his best bet is to go and buy a PC because " that is the only way he is going to be able to open the pdfs".

I just refuse to believe this. There must be a way to sort out the issue. If that is the case why does anyone touch Apple devices at all!

oh no, you don' want to start an Apple debate now....