Windows 7 64 or Windows 8 64 bit

[KalMaverick]

Have you used Windows 7 before?

Yes, I upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 8 on my desktop and still use Windows 7 on my laptop.

Windows 8's desktop mode works perfectly fine and Win 7 is in no way superior.

Do you know where to look for the CPU type and RAM?

So can you actually list real applicable examples of your claims or do you prefer ad hominem attacks?

I mean sure if you like Windows 7 because it looks prettier to you then that's fine with me but if you're going to make claims of functionality differences then at least list them so we can also learn.

 

[kingrob]

So can you actually list real applicable examples of your claims or do you prefer ad hominem attacks?

I mean sure if you like Windows 7 because it looks prettier to you then that's fine with me but if you're going to make claims of functionality differences then at least list them so we can also learn.

I'll ask you again, what hardware specs are you running?

 

[KalMaverick]

I'll ask you again, what hardware specs are you running?

Again? Don't recall you asking me a first time.

 

[kingrob]

Again? Don't recall you asking me a first time.

Well, since you are now answering for shogun, I might as well direct the questions at you then.

 

[KalMaverick]

Well, since you are now answering for shogun, I might as well direct the questions at you then.

Answering for him? No, I'm merely pointing out your attitude regarding this topic. Nice one admitting you blapsed though instead of redirecting... oh wait

Thought if it helps you bring forth the examples I'm still waiting for then I've got an Intel G840 with 2GB RAM. Unsurprisingly it's the same process as Windows XP and Windows 7.

 

[Swa]

No touchscreen then Win7 unless she actually likes the feel of Win8.

No Question, Windows 8.

You might as well stop listening to all these naysayers whose world ended because they changed the layout of the start menu. Windows 8 and the way it looks is here to stay, get used to it, adapt and move on. No use to sticking to old generation software for stupid reasons such as GUI.

I don't want it dictated to me how I should be using my pc and what I should like. If it was the direction things were heading in then fine but it wasn't and MS is trying to force an artificial change like they did on many previous occasions. There is no reason to go to Win 8 if that's not something someone specifically wants. It seems like since ME they first release a test version and then the real one so come Win 9 all the Win 7 features will likely be back and Win 8 can be skipped.

 

[Splinter]

Answering for him? No, I'm merely pointing out your attitude regarding this topic. Nice one admitting you blapsed though instead of redirecting... oh wait

Thought if it helps you bring forth the examples I'm still waiting for then I've got an Intel G840 with 2GB RAM. Unsurprisingly it's the same process as Windows XP and Windows 7.

2GB RAM? How on earth can you discuss window7, let alone 8?

 

[KalMaverick]

2GB RAM? How on earth can you discuss window7, let alone 8?

Why not?

My PC works perfectly fine with 2GB, Windows 7 and Windows 8. I don't fill my PC to the rim with junk so RAM isn't an issue.

The amount of RAM I have is irrelevant to the functionality of Windows 8, so just as with kingrob, if you guys could start with some real examples instead of irrelevant questions and misdirection it would be great.

 

[shogun]

Serious question: do you work for Microsoft or an affiliat?

I can see why you'd think that. I've made a number of posts in favour of MS lately, but no, I am not employed by or affiliated with MS in any way. The thing is I spend a lot of time developing software or working with people that develop software for the desktop and web using both MS technologies (WPF / WCF / ASP.Net MVC / visual c++ / DirectX) and non-MS technologies (c / c++ / PHP). I also spend a lot of time following developers within Microsoft and elsewhere. When they post about what they've added and why, I read it and look at the nuts and bolts of what they are doing. It's amazing how your opinions change once you understand what the reasons are for making certain decisions, or how they will impact you in the long run.

Not every new thing made by Microsoft turns to gold, but at the same time, not every new thing they make is a turd (an opinion shared by many). There are some very real improvements that have been made, and while there is a thread about it, I'm going to share my views on what they are and why.

Would you rather I just go with the prevailing sentiment in the thread that Windows 8 is crap? That the whole ecosystem built around RT is crap? Should I not voice my objections to opinions here? Why should I contribute to a broadly anti-Windows 8 sentiment when I can see that the people behind the scenes are making very real progress in improving what is already a good platform? Does my attitude automatically make me a fanboy just because I see a lot of improvements in what they are accomplishing?

It seems these days that it's better to knock something (it's certainly easier) than to try to understand it, get used to it and see its benefits. Take off the blinkers guys.

 

[shogun]

So you spend most of your time staring at the metro tiles then?

No, actually I spend most of my development day in Desktop mode running development tools and my browser. When I get home and want to read some news articles (Economist / CNN / Aljazeera etc) I flip over to metro and browse their apps, because they provide a better reading experience than browsing the website a lot of the time.

I run real apps on my notebook, which means I use "desktop mode" all of the time, & where Windows 7 destroys Windows 8 completely.

I'm sorry, does not compute. What are these "real" apps that you run that I do not? Word? Visual Studio? Photoshop? I use those all day long. Not real enough for you? How does windows 7 destroy windows 8 in desktop mode exactly? Be specific now.

For some reason Microsoft thought we're all running tablets by now and focused all their energy on a start screen.

No, they provided an OS that works well on tablets and for normal desktop use. Is it vastly different to how we've done things before? Yes. Does it get people used to the Modern UI? Yes.

Guaranteed, if they created RT as a separate OS entirely (either / or on your machine), you'd have people bitching because they want to be able to run RT apps on their windows desktop. There would be emulators and all sorts of crap in order to get this right.

The fact is that ultra-books are now coming out with Touch Screens. Not next year, not 5 years from now. They are available now. This means I can go out and get one that's fully touch capable, and having the Modern UI interface available is a huge add when I want it. When I don't want it, I plug in a mouse, tap the escape key and carry on with the desktop.

 

[shogun]

What hardware do you use?

Dell notebook. i7 2630QM processor, 6GB RAM available to the system. Not touch screen (although I'm eying a touch capable dell XPS, or a surface Pro if they'd just drop the damn price some more. Too expensive for what you get IMO). What hardware do you use? I've shown you mine, now show me yours? Wait never mind, I really don't care what hardware you are running as it doesn't affect me in the slightest.

Do you know where to look for the CPU type and RAM?

No, please tell me where? Do I need to unscrew something? (wait, I better not be too sarcastic, you might take it seriously, judging by your previous responses.

 

[biometrics]

This thread is derailed imo. If I may try steer it back ... Shogun, why is Windows 8 better than 7? I'll try be open minded but honestly I tried it and disliked it. Also I don't like being treated as a peon by corporate strategy.

 

[shogun]

This thread is derailed imo. If I may try steer it back ... Shogun, why is Windows 8 better than 7? I'll try be open minded but honestly I tried it and disliked it. Also I don't like being treated as a peon by corporate strategy.

Noted. I'm all posted out for now, but i'll be back on with a post from my point of view about what has (and hasn't) improved. There are still lots of things they can do better on, and i'll touch on that as well.

 

[Roman4604]

why is Windows 8 better than 7?

I'll chip in with a couple of my favs ...

- faster bootup & shutdown speeds
- Picture Login, no need to type in passwords anymore
- Working, compatible DLNA client
- Majorly upgraded task manager (also is perf monitor & startup mgr)
- More informative copy dialogues (transfer graphs)
- Better default ext handling (asks 1st time like Android)
- Seamless ISO handling
- Explorer ribbon (if your used to using Office)

 

[KalMaverick]

Nicely put shogun

Not every new thing made by Microsoft turns to gold, but at the same time, not every new thing they make is a turd (an opinion shared by many). There are some very real improvements that have been made, and while there is a thread about it, I'm going to share my views on what they are and why.

This is true, I'm a fan of the new Office 2013 simplistic theme but man I'm still trying to find shades to wear when I open it. Please give us some better colour themes.

This thread is derailed imo. If I may try steer it back ... Shogun, why is Windows 8 better than 7? I'll try be open minded but honestly I tried it and disliked it. Also I don't like being treated as a peon by corporate strategy.

In the same breath why is Windows 7 better than Windows 8?

Roman4604 mentioned some of the things I love about Windows 8 too, like the explorer ribbon and the improved task manager. Faster start-up as well.

 

[biometrics]

I'll chip in with a couple of my favs ...

- faster bootup & shutdown speeds
- Picture Login, no need to type in passwords anymore
- Working, compatible DLNA client
- Majorly upgraded task manager (also is perf monitor & startup mgr)
- More informative copy dialogues (transfer graphs)
- Better default ext handling (asks 1st time like Android)
- Seamless ISO handling
- Explorer ribbon (if your used to using Office)

Ignoring the other points for the moment I really have to take on this claim: faster bootup & shutdown speeds

This is simply not true. Why are you propagating this lie?

I have many Windows 7 PC's and they all boot fast.

Also why would that be a purchasing decision? It lasts seconds out of your day. Many people even leave their PC's on.

I personally hibernate and my PC starts up in seconds with all my apps loaded.

Stop spreading this blatant POS info.

 

[Roman4604]

Ignoring the other points for the moment I really have to take on this claim: faster bootup & shutdown speeds

This is simply not true. Why are you propagating this lie?

I have many Windows 7 PC's and they all boot fast.

Also why would that be a purchasing decision? It lasts seconds out of your day. Many people even leave their PC's on.

I personally hibernate and my PC starts up in seconds with all my apps loaded.

Stop spreading this blatant POS info.

Every PC I've load Win 8 (now 8.1) on was running 7 before, and they are faster to boot/shutdown. I've yours aren't then all I can think of you've cocked up something on the installation.

 

[biometrics]

Every PC I've load Win 8 (now 8.1) on was running 7 before, and they are faster to boot/shutdown. I've yours aren't then all I can think of you've cocked up something on the installation.

Are you comparing an old Windows 7 install to a new Windows 8 install?

My point is Windows 7 boots fast. To claim it is slow is a lie.

 

[Roman4604]

My point is Windows 7 boots fast. To claim it is slow is a lie.

Nobody's claiming Win7 was slow, its just that Win8.x is faster, notably for me with 2 systems that have the same config (software/driver load).

 

[biometrics]

Nobody's claiming Win7 was slow, its just that Win8.x is faster, notably for me with 2 systems that have the same config (software/driver load).

So you are saving a few seconds? And this is a reason to buy an OS?

Also, you're making this recommendation based on TWO PC's?