Windows 8 Consumer Preview

My biggest gripe so far has been the "hotspots" on my triple-head setup... they're a pain to hit all the time since nothing stops the mouse cursor going to the next screen....

Other than that, I'm very pleasantly surprised and I think MS have an absolute winner on their hands.
 
so lots of work is being done around UIs.

Microsoft are not noted for being much good at human interface design, and this new Metro look is particularly ghastly evidence to that fact. I haven't seen anything quite as ugly since CP/M. Looks like we'll be stuck with it - Microsoft seem to love trying to foist their crap on us without "compromise". Oh well, the kiddie-cellphone generation will be happy.
 
Microsoft are not noted for being much good at human interface design, and this new Metro look is particularly ghastly evidence to that fact. I haven't seen anything quite as ugly since CP/M. Looks like we'll be stuck with it - Microsoft seem to love trying to foist their crap on us without "compromise". Oh well, the kiddie-cellphone generation will be happy.

Windows7? Which OS was better, use sales volume to confirm the success.
 
Why do you want to close Metro apps? The system does it for you. They using the same tech that is in mobiles be it Windows Phone, Android or iOS, where background applications only use up memory and not CPU, and if the system needs memory will close the applications for you. We should move away from the mentality that we always want to close things down. This is done to increase productivity so you dont have to wait for applications to start up every time you use them.

If you want to remove your trail of applications used, just log out.

Linux manages apps quite well on the whole if you leave them minimized. doesn't mean i don't want the option to choose if i want to close an app.
 
Thought so!



Microsoft designed the Windows7 UI and the Kinect camera control as well. So justify your statement.

Thought so what? Try being less cryptic.

In justification of the claim that Microsoft are the World Champions at how to royally cock-up a human interface, may I present.....

tadaa.....

Vista.

Win 7 is only just bearable, and is incredibly wasteful of screen space - flabby fonts, deep listbox lines in explorer displays. The "ribbon" idea is not bad but the implementation is horrendous - all kinds of different inconsistent shapes and sizes with wasteful icons, also inconsistently sized. You also have to go fiddling with the UAC to make computing just bearable, and with the wretched automatic updates that intrude at inappropriate times - like - I'm late, china, shut the f down! The file explorer thingy is just weird - trying to be like OS X and failing again. The list goes on.
 
Thought so what? Try being less cryptic.

In justification of the claim that Microsoft are the World Champions at how to royally cock-up a human interface, may I present.....

tadaa.....

Vista.

Win 7 is only just bearable, and is incredibly wasteful of screen space - flabby fonts, deep listbox lines in explorer displays. The "ribbon" idea is not bad but the implementation is horrendous - all kinds of different inconsistent shapes and sizes with wasteful icons, also inconsistently sized. You also have to go fiddling with the UAC to make computing just bearable, and with the wretched automatic updates that intrude at inappropriate times - like - I'm late, china, shut the f down! The file explorer thingy is just weird - trying to be like OS X and failing again. The list goes on.

Well, a very large number of boffs, gurus and tech-reviewers think otherwise. I guess it's a matter of taste, like most things.

Here's what renowned uber-Apple-fanboi and tech guru David Pogue at the New York Times (America's most influential newspaper, and also noted MS-detester) says:
It’s a huge radical rethinking of Windows — and one that’s beautiful, logical and simple. In essence, it brings the attractive, useful concept of Start-screen tiles, currently available on Windows Phone 7 phones, to laptops, desktop PC’s and tablets.

I’ve been using Windows 8 for about a week on a prototype Samsung tablet. And I have got to tell you, I’m excited.

For two reasons. First, because Windows 8 works fluidly and briskly on touch screens; it’s a natural fit. And second, it attains that success through a design that’s all Microsoft’s own. This business of the tiles is not at all what Apple designed for iOS, or that Google copied in Android.

Here’s how I described the design (called Metro) when I reviewed Windows Phone 7. All of it applies to Windows 8:
Windows Phone 7.5 is gorgeous, classy, satisfying, fast and coherent. The design is intelligent, clean and uncluttered. Never in a million years would you guess that it came from the same company that cooked up the bloated spaghetti that is Windows and Office.

Most impressively, Windows Phone 7 is not a feeble-minded copycat. Microsoft came up with completely fresh metaphors that generally steer clear of the iPhone/Android design (grid-spaced icons scrolling across Home pages).

... In Windows 8, those tiles show you what’s coming in from Facebook and Twitter. They identify the song that’s currently playing. They show you the current weather. All without leaving this Start-screen dashboard.

... These swipes take about one minute to learn. On a tablet, I can’t begin to tell you how much fun it is. It’s evident that Microsoft has sweated over every decision — where things are, how prominent they are, how easy they are to access. (If you have the time, watch the videos to see all of this in action.)
As I said, Pogue is a noted Apple-ista. Yet he loves Metro. And he's ostensibly a power-user. There are hundreds of other influentials who can't praise it enough.

Each to his own.
 
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Well, a very large number of boffs, gurus and tech-reviewers think otherwise. I guess it's a matter of taste, like most things.

There are hundreds of other influentials who can't praise it enough.

No doubt many will hate it too. To me it is, in the words of my domestic landscaping assistant - "too gustly".
 
Hey Hey

I am having issues with updating and installing Metro apps... I just get this...

win8appserror.jpg


and it never updates or installs.

Grrrrr.
 
Well, a very large number of boffs, gurus and tech-reviewers think otherwise. I guess it's a matter of taste, like most things.

Here's what renowned uber-Apple-fanboi and tech guru David Pogue at the New York Times (America's most influential newspaper, and also noted MS-detester) says:

As I said, Pogue is a noted Apple-ista. Yet he loves Metro. And he's ostensibly a power-user. There are hundreds of other influentials who can't praise it enough.

Each to his own.

I would love to see similar enthusiasm from a keyboard, mouse, desktop PC, multi screen user ...
 
I would love to see similar enthusiasm from a keyboard, mouse, desktop PC, multi screen user ...
Yeah, I haven't had the guts to install it on my two main systems, which are both dual-screen via a 4-way dual-port KVM. The funny thing is when I RD'd into the laptop form a dual-head system WP8CP did a dual-span.
 
tbh brutally honest,

I've installed this on my main system now... 1 or two rough edges with the way it handles multi-monitor setups.. buts its more just modifying the way I expect windows to behave, but Metro is absolutely beautiful... its the way I feel an OS SHOULD look like.. it just gets completely out of the way when you're busy with stuff.
 
tbh brutally honest,

I've installed this on my main system now... 1 or two rough edges with the way it handles multi-monitor setups.. buts its more just modifying the way I expect windows to behave, but Metro is absolutely beautiful... its the way I feel an OS SHOULD look like.. it just gets completely out of the way when you're busy with stuff.

Unbelievable. Good to hear. Just imagine the system with Kinect for Windows.
 
Unbelievable. Good to hear. Just imagine the system with Kinect for Windows.

Thats precisely what I'm thinking...

Combo of kinect for windows, and somehow tethering a windows tablet as a means of tactile touch control as well... would make the whole setup unbeatable.
 
Does anyone else's computer just freeze for a couple of minutes every now and then?
 
... its the way I feel an OS SHOULD look like.. it just gets completely out of the way when you're busy with stuff.
That's such an important point, TB. We've grown so accustomed to managing the OS and working our way around the OS and navigating the OS we've forgotten that the main purpose is doing useful work via apps.

Over the years I've watched many people 'working' on their PCs, and 80% of it is formatting and fiddling ... which is why I insisted that all monthly reports to me be entirely unformatted, with default font. I could go on...

One day we'll look back at all the 'chrome' and OS-centric computing the way ol' Harley riders remember the oil leaks and the Sunday Afternoon Recoveries with a bakkie.
 
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this really shouldn't irritate me but it is starting to frustrate me that the functionality of getting twitter and facebook yupdates is not working.

if it is working for you, are you logged in via a local account or a live account? does the fact that my live account is a different email address to my twitter and facebook accounts play a role?
 
Microsoft are not noted for being much good at human interface design, and this new Metro look is particularly ghastly evidence to that fact. I haven't seen anything quite as ugly since CP/M. Looks like we'll be stuck with it - Microsoft seem to love trying to foist their crap on us without "compromise". Oh well, the kiddie-cellphone generation will be happy.

Is this better or worse than Unity on Ubuntu? :D

Never seen it or tried it but you mentioning cell phones made me think about Unity.
 
Here's what renowned uber-Apple-fanboi and tech guru David Pogue at the New York Times (America's most influential newspaper, and also noted MS-detester) says:

As I said, Pogue is a noted Apple-ista. Yet he loves Metro. And he's ostensibly a power-user. There are hundreds of other influentials who can't praise it enough.

Each to his own.

From your link.

The biggest difference on this “old” Windows world may be that the Start menu, that decades-old symbol of the Windows universe, is gone. On Microsoft’s Windows 8 design blog, you’ll find some thoughtful explanations:

“As more and more launching takes place from the task bar, the Start menu looks like a lot of user interface for programs you don’t use very frequently. And the Start menu is not well-optimized for this purpose. It affords limited customization, provides virtually no useful information, and offers only a small space for search results.

“In light of these realizations, we stepped back and reimagined the role of Start in Windows 8. We knew that we already had a powerful launcher for desktop programs in the taskbar. The Start screen is not just a replacement for the Start menu—it is designed to be a great launcher and switcher of apps, a place that is alive with notifications, customizable, powerful, and efficient. It brings together a set of solutions that today are disparate and poorly integrated.”
That degree of soul-searching seems to have gone on at every level of Windows 8’s design, and it’s glorious to see Microsoft get the religion of simplicity and beauty.

I agree!
 
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