Windows 8 gets Start button

still waiting for a 10" tablet that runs Windows 8 (not RT) with a great battery life

What do you want to run on it? I have an Acer Iconia W5 ... great little convertible, it's Atom based, so not really useful for much over productivity apps on the desktop. It comes with Win8 Pro. Has HDMI out and USB ports to easily hook up to desktop monitor/kb/mouse. Battery life is comparable to leading 10" ARM tablets - Intel have really sorted their battery life with their new Atom chips.

If you want a desktop/laptop replacement you'll have to sacrifice half the battery life for an i3/i5/i7 based one - Haswell-based tablets should hit soon and give a few more hours battery life, but we won't see desktop-power CPUs in small tablets with 8-10hr battery for a year or two, until Intel tick-tocks again.
 
"If you can't make it good, at least make it look good" - Bill Gates.

Just get a Mac.
 
I played with it for over a week! it takes twice as long to get to something in win 8 as apposed to win 7...

Start button and menu should remain, I will ditch win 8 and wait till Microsoft bring something usable to the table....

I disagree. I can get to stuff much faster in Windows 8 - as long as you know what to search for. They can bring the old Start Menu back but they should def. keep the new search.

Furthermore, I won't be able to live wihtout the new multi-screen features (additional taskbar on each screen).
 
It's about time. Now all my clients who had no choice but to take Windows 8 with their new laptops will actually be able to use them.
 
For me I like Windows 8, after some time you get used to it and tasks get quicker to do than in Windows 7. It does grow on you.

There are still some usability issues that need to be sorted, hoping some of them will be addressed in Windows 8.1.

I would really like the ability to launch multiple instances of Metro apps.

Microsoft Metro apps still need loads of improvement as well as the loading times of them. Also the Marketplace is a nightmare to navigate through, that needs some work. I would like to know which apps I have already installed without going into them to see I have installed them already.
 
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Lack of a start menu was a deal breaker for me with Windows 8, so I only installed windows 8 after I found that there are applications that can put it back for you.

I was the same.. I upgraded to windows 8, and bought start8.. and I am now very happy using windows 8. I dont boot straight to desktop. I wanted to try metro and I use metro for metro apps and the desktop with a start button for desktop apps. I spend now about 85% of my time on the desktop. When I first installed, it was around 97% of the time on the desktop. I am slowly finding usefull apps for metro.
 
This is Microsoft's problem in a nutshell, they let their customers dictate the design of their software.
 
This is Microsoft's problem in a nutshell, they let their customers dictate the design of their software.
Unless you mean that they went metro because everyone was using tablets? Then I don't see that as a problem - they should follow user trends.
 
I can just imagine how nice this would have looked with a proper Aero Glass theme.

Ye I always like the look of Aero, especially if it was subtle.

I really think MS has made a move in the right direction. W8 is good software but the problem is they have just missed the sweet spot on too many things. The swapped the desktop when they could have made subtle changes and got rid of it in W9 or 10. The Metro apps (when I used W8 for a short while anyway) seemed too consuming, it wasn't easy or intuitive how to get out of them. They just took up the entire screen. There isn't anything wrong with having some visual cues. Another feature I think they could have gone with was "smart opening" apps. If you are listening to music you don't need the whole music app open to change songs. It can just open a little window when you click it once and open fully when double clicked. Same with People, if you searching for a contact you don't need to open the entire program.
I didn't show it there but there could be more tiles that you can get to by just swiping to the right and the tiles shift. So the desktop would move and there wouldn't be the clutter from hundreds of icons (which is what I think MS wanted to try and change, to get the stale image of a Windows desktop out of peoples heads, to bring some excitement to their OS). They also lacking in terms of gesture support (where Mac is great). Another OSX feature they should have borrowed is being able to run multiple "desktop" windows and just swipe between them, which would work well for metro apps especially. Lastly they need to make sure their hardware partners actually made computers with decent trackpads or mouses (mice?). Using anything but an Apple trackpad is a downgrade. I'm not sure why they don't just get rid of it and put a touch screen there and run their smartglass app with a bit of second screen going on. So many small things that could have made W8 awesome, and even as an OSX user I would have loved to have seen W8 be massively successful because it is better for everyone in the long run.

I wish I was doing a degree which could lead to UI design, I find it so interesting, there is always room for improvement. But I'm looking more like being Tim Cook than Jony Ive at the moment.
 
What do you want to run on it? I have an Acer Iconia W5 ... great little convertible, it's Atom based, so not really useful for much over productivity apps on the desktop. It comes with Win8 Pro. Has HDMI out and USB ports to easily hook up to desktop monitor/kb/mouse. Battery life is comparable to leading 10" ARM tablets - Intel have really sorted their battery life with their new Atom chips.

If you want a desktop/laptop replacement you'll have to sacrifice half the battery life for an i3/i5/i7 based one - Haswell-based tablets should hit soon and give a few more hours battery life, but we won't see desktop-power CPUs in small tablets with 8-10hr battery for a year or two, until Intel tick-tocks again.

I want to run Office 2010 Pro. Use Access a lot
 
Love win8 as a desktop user. I rarely if ever use any metro apps though as the desktop apps are just so much easier to use and most of the time have more functionality. Took about a week to get used to the missing start button and now I wouldn't go back to it if you paid me.
 
Unless you mean that they went metro because everyone was using tablets? Then I don't see that as a problem - they should follow user trends.

No, Microsoft's engineers know OS design better than Joe Average consumer or business user and hence should be setting the product's direction.

Microsoft's decision to use design by committee is unfortunate and a hindrance to their progress.
 
I played with it for over a week! it takes twice as long to get to something in win 8 as apposed to win 7...

Start button and menu should remain, I will ditch win 8 and wait till Microsoft bring something usable to the table....

Well you sir are using windows 7 poorly, all your most used apps should be pinned to your taskbar. I cannot believe people are still navigating using the start button lol.

Pin pin pin, by the time you have clicked on your start button i have opened my program :p.

O look my email, let me click start then navigate to the folder or wait i could pin it and not ever even need to use a start button :p, or i could press the windows button and click a tile. You are doing something wrong if you navigate windows 8 slower than 7.
 
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Well you sir are using windows 7 poorly, all your most used apps should be pinned to your taskbar. I cannot believe people are still navigating using the start button lol.

The problem there is.... what if you have no regular used apps or have about 20 or so of them? Also lot's of pinned apps takes up valuable taskbar space, I sometimes have maybe 10 or 20 things open at once. Have never pinned a thing in my live. If Win7 or 8 allowed multiple bars like XP that would be different, you could have a separate bar just for pin's.

Instead of allowing as many ways of customization as possible MS wants to dictate what you can do and how you can do it, that's the problem. If there was a update that replaced metro with Aero or preferably a Aero that has some of the features they removed when they moved up from XP THEN I'd consider Win8. The average user doesn't even know of half of the older features a lot of us "power" users have been using for a decade at least on the older type UI's. I miss being able to plop down toolbars anyplace I want and turning off auto arrange when I want to. And no sadly the Linux distro's seems to be suffering from the same kind of insanity as MS.... in fact Metro was probably caused by Unity.... I HATE Unity. In general it doesn't matter that Linux is free because it's a pain to actually use and requires internet for almost everything...

Bottom line, MS forgot it's roots and is instead insulting everyone's intelligence because it's userbase is so large that it includes a mob of idiots that need to be told what to do and how to do it. I have been organizing my links and files well enough since win98.... I don't need a "App" for every little thing I do because those things mostly just slow you down and condescendingly get in your way.
 
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