Windows 8 gets Start button

I have 18 pinned items, the beauty of the pinning system is you can have every single one open and as you use the program it builds up in one icon.

If you have 20 programs that you use and you use the start button to navigate as mentioned you are doing it wrong. No wonder people cannot grasp windows 8, they can't grasp pinning, so a start button must be very important. I even pin the control panel. So everything i ever need is a simple click away.
 
Takes too much time to switch open windows if you need to hover first. Guess I just need to move faster than you. And no my desktop is a mess of links and files, only use the taskbar for my 5 or so "very most" used programs.
 
killadoob said:
I have 18 pinned items, the beauty of the pinning system is you can have every single one open and as you use the program it builds up in one icon.

If you have 20 programs that you use and you use the start button to navigate as mentioned you are doing it wrong. No wonder people cannot grasp windows 8, they can't grasp pinning, so a start button must be very important. I even pin the control panel. So everything i ever need is a simple click away.
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I never use the Start button for regularly used programs, That's what Quick Launch is for.
 
I think this is a good idea....love windows 8 but I hate having to hover first
 
Windows 8 changes were too radical for the traditional user. If you are willing to take a bit of time to learn how to use it, you will find that it is a good OS. If you don't want to learn and want it to work the way it always has, then load a 3rd party app to get the traditional look and feel.

The start button Microsoft are going to bring back is rumored to not be the traditional one, and will not satisfy the win 8 haters.

Also I wonder what will happen with the 3rd party start buttons and win 8.1
 
I came to this thread to say exactly this - I always hated the Start Menu for it's clutter and every program wanting to be a part of it - after many months / years, one would have a Start Menu that extended the height of the screen, most of it which you may or may not use for ages. Then submenus upon submenus, then move the mouse 1 pixel off it and you are back to the parent menu!

People who go on about the "change" being the worst thing to happen to Windows are completely wrong. The Start Menu is actually somewhat useful with it's Live Tiles and quick access to the programs you want with the ability to hide most of the junk you never use and the default of just the main program appearing on the Start Menu on installation.

I will admit that my exploration of the Store has been limited to when I first loaded Windows, I don't know if it has taken off at all or not, it's not where my interests lie. Also, I very rarely find opportunity to use the Modern UI apps, the only reason being that I don't like half my applications running in a different interface to everything else that I use.

Other than that, it is a solid OS that I feel many people didn't give enough of a chance. I much prefer it to Windows 7.
 
The issue is in some ways not so much the change but the fact that it is forced down everyone's throats. If the various changes could be toggled no one would bother to have so much against them.

Linux for all it's faults is a good example of doing it right when it comes to UI's. The UI is entirely seperate from the OS itself, if you don't like gnome 3 just switch back to gnome 2 or go for KDE. MS instead decides to almost completely ignore the core OS in it's stretegy and focus on the UI instead... except it does this in a too simplistic manner it seems. They want to have one OS for all platforms? Fine, that's a great approach, just don't do it the brain-dead way and force the same UI on all of them. The UI and the OS are two completely different things and should be treated as such.
 
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Electron1 said:
Windows 8 changes were too radical for the traditional user. If you are willing to take a bit of time to learn how to use it, you will find that it is a good OS. If you don't want to learn and want it to work the way it always has, then load a 3rd party app to get the traditional look and feel.

The start button Microsoft are going to bring back is rumored to not be the traditional one, and will not satisfy the win 8 haters.

Also I wonder what will happen with the 3rd party start buttons and win 8.1
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Nothing will satisfy windows 8 haters, a stupid thing like the start button that most people barely used is made into this huge issue, windows 8 though needs to start getting some hardware out there like cheap touch laptops and they need to push for cheap touch screens as well because it's brilliant as a touch OS. Amazing in fact.

Sadly the desktop is a dying business model, most people have no need for a bulky desktop and will opt for tablets, touch laptops and so on. Although windows 8 will still be blamed for poor sales for desktop even though apple desktops are dropping :D.

Sadly i don't think apple their desktops not selling well when they ship millions of ipads

What is being forced on you though, change is good and the only way people learn is when things change, by adding the start button there was virtually no difference apart from performance between 8 and 7 rendering it pointless, microsoft knows the desktop market is doomed. It's focus is windows 8 being a good touch system
 
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The issue is in some ways not so much the change but the fact that it is forced down everyone's throats. If the various changes could be toggled no one would bother to have so much against them.
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I think that was one of the reasons ol' Steven Sinofsky got the boot at Microsoft.

They realised he has lost it when he gave all Microsoft's customers a tablet OS for their desktops and notebooks. :p
 
rambo919 said:
The issue is in some ways not so much the change but the fact that it is forced down everyone's throats. If the various changes could be toggled no one would bother to have so much against them.
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Kinda like the classic view in vista\7 at first most people used it but people migrated over to the new view as time went by.
 
killadoob said:
Sadly the desktop is a dying business model, most people have no need for a bulky desktop and will opt for tablets, touch laptops and so on.
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The problem there is.... how is one family to properly share a single tablet that is rather underpowered compared to a PC? Not everyone has the money to buy a tablet and/or phone for every member of the family. There still are family PC's but I have never heard of a family tablet. And no the desktop core business is not dying, the same people that bought PC's for their power will keep buying them. It's just the casual PC users that are opting for tablets instead of notebooks. Some people need a machine for showing off how cute it looks and communication and some need it for it's sheer power and versatility. Also it can work out temporarily cheaper getting a PC as almost any part of it can be separately upgraded instead of buying a whole new system every 1.5 years.
 
rambo919 said:
The problem there is.... how is one family to properly share a single tablet that is rather underpowered compared to a PC? Not everyone has the money to buy a tablet and/or phone for every member of the family. There still are family PC's but I have never heard of a family tablet. And no the desktop core business is not dying, the same people that bought PC's for their power will keep buying them. It's just the casual PC users that are opting for tablets instead of notebooks. Some people need a machine for showing off how cute it looks and communication and some need it for it's sheer power and versatility. Also it can work out temporarily cheaper getting a PC as almost any part of it can be separately upgraded instead of buying a whole new system every 1.5 years.
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Yea the desktop is dying and has been since about 2011. Remember majority of people don't need a laptop or desktop, they just need a mobile device. Previously that was a laptop, then netbooks and now your tablets are as powerful and useful as a laptop for day to day stuff. So people on the move are no longer buying laptops and desktops. They don't need to so the core business is going to slow down. Both desktop and laptops are taking knocks and it will only get worse as tablet tech becomes more and more powerful. Even a smart phone is fine for many people who had previously owned a laptop or desktop. That is where microsoft are targeting windows 8. The tablet market because they know it is going to be the biggest market soon.

You really don't need a powerful device to surf the net and get your email, while doing a few other smallish tasks.

Here is an interesting article to read to show you why microsoft are targeting tablets. touch laptops will soon be cheap but desktop sales will plummet i reckon. http://venturebeat.com/2013/05/06/t...-2017-as-mobile-pc-market-hits-579-4-million/
http://www.eweek.com/mobile/slideshows/tablet-sales-rise-as-pc-market-struggles/
 
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killadoob said:
You really don't need a powerful device to surf the net and get your email, while doing a few other smallish tasks.
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Except not everyone is "on the move" all the time or only needs a machine just for something for that. Those users are the bulk, the fluff, they are not the core. The rest of us will get tablets yes but only as secondary machines.
 
killadoob said:
Pin pin pin, by the time you have clicked on your start button i have opened my program :p.

O look my email, let me click start then navigate to the folder or wait i could pin it and not ever even need to use a start button :p, or i could press the windows button and click a tile. You are doing something wrong if you navigate windows 8 slower than 7.
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Pinning and have been using truelaunchbar.com since it came out.
 
Glad, I dont want to have to use metro (to shutdown, search, run etc.), it makes no practical scene to me on a normal desktop.
 
bekdik said:
Start button, but does it include a start menu or simply take you back to the start page?
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This is a concern for me. From reading the article, I get the feeling that it's not the start menu that is coming back but a button that points to some new system.
 
killadoob said:
What is being forced on you though,
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Metro. It's not applicable for a desktop OS. It should not have been there and was only forced onto desktop users in order for MS to try and get a footprint in the tablet market. There are a lot of problems with it for basic users. For example, images pop up in that full screen view when loaded from an email. This is totally counter productive for an office worker. Same with PDF files. Of course one can change it but that's not an easy thing for normal office users to do. It should not have been there in the first place.
 
Desktops will survive. Tablets are nice to haves. Desktops or laptops to get serious work done. Third party apps will fix the start menu if MS ****s it up again.
 
Imagine working at a church, someone sends you a spam email, it pop's up full screen. Or a creche or mental institution or whatever.... when you are using the projector.
 
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