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Windows 8 may make Microsoft cool again
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Elimentals
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I wonder how long will that link be active before the takedown notice?
Oh well my dev download with sdk will take another couple of hours
Then again seeing that it requires no activation or key maybe its M$ plan to get it out as far and wide as possible to stop the iOS/Android growth.
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Joe Average
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I wonder how long will that link be active before the takedown notice?
Oh well my dev download with sdk will take another couple of hours
You can also get it from MSDN - I have already downloaded it, just looking for some old hardware to install it on. The download was confirmed by the presenter in the keynote @ http://www.buildwindows.com/ - I dont think they plan to remove the link. They also handing out Samsung tablets to all 5000 at the conference with Win8 Preview on it. Ready to use.
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Elimentals
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I understand the link being active on MSDN as I am a momber as well, what I was referring to is the illegal link provided on web..... oh nevermind I just saw its linking to M$'s own servers wdp.dlws.microsoft.com/WDPDL/....../WindowsDeveloperPreview-64bit-English.iso
Guess I am so use to going to the subscriber downloads that I never even notice the rest of the links
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Joe Average
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No sweat, please post some impressions here after you installed it. I should have some feedback by tomorrow.
Bona Botse
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how long until a xoom port, i wonder... 
Elimentals
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Will do, mine is coming down at a slow 100 KB/s so should take some time still(2 hours), Well I have to go sleep anyway so no rush for me.
how long until a xoom port, i wonder...
Well not going to happen from current release or a long time still. 1, Windows is not OpenSource so should take about as long as a iOS port to Xoom and reason no 2 this version is only for X86 - 32 and 64 bit CPU's
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Elimentals
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Holy Cow this thing is fast!!!!
8 mins for full install, uses you dev account to log in but I guess its fine. After install to finalize settings took about 2 minuets (I installed on a Core2duo mobile with Nvidia 970m laptop) 2 gigs of ram.
15 seconds for a fresh start....
Yeah I know who can sleep when you have a brand new OS waiting
The start bar as we know it is gone.... That start metro screen or search is how you find your apps from now on
If any of you ever used the new Gnome 3 interface and hate it? you going to hate Windows 8 as well. It is very much the same concept in application management just with a different way of swapping between windows so to speak.
I will see how it goes, for now I am busy trying to get my world organized. I feel really sorry for SysAdmins that will end up training users. Things like Close application on Metro UI is gone, you can press (alt+f4) or go to task manager(Crtl+alt+del) that is a very simple list of apps running and click on close app. Also some things like the weather app where you have to guess there is a right click to get to add your city will have to be learned....
8 mins for full install, uses you dev account to log in but I guess its fine. After install to finalize settings took about 2 minuets (I installed on a Core2duo mobile with Nvidia 970m laptop) 2 gigs of ram.
15 seconds for a fresh start....
Yeah I know who can sleep when you have a brand new OS waiting
The start bar as we know it is gone.... That start metro screen or search is how you find your apps from now on
If any of you ever used the new Gnome 3 interface and hate it? you going to hate Windows 8 as well. It is very much the same concept in application management just with a different way of swapping between windows so to speak.
I will see how it goes, for now I am busy trying to get my world organized. I feel really sorry for SysAdmins that will end up training users. Things like Close application on Metro UI is gone, you can press (alt+f4) or go to task manager(Crtl+alt+del) that is a very simple list of apps running and click on close app. Also some things like the weather app where you have to guess there is a right click to get to add your city will have to be learned....
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RaptorSA
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Huh? So how do normal programs close then? (Like Winamp for instance). I mean it'll still have the normal close button...
Confused.
Elimentals
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Old windows apps still have the X I'm referring to metro apps like the browser and so on. Its still early days so will see. And for some reason I can not access the buttons that supposed to come from the right, guess the X might be in there.....
For now I need to go sleep will check again later.
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Oh OK. Awesome, thanks for the feedback dude.
Arthur
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It's really worth watching Steve Sinofsky's keynote and demos. Hard to escape the impression that Win8 really is the start of something genuinely new. The integration for Developers is flippin' amaaazing. MSFT handed out 5000 new Win8 developer PCs, with Win8 and dev tools.
* Sinofsky seriously committed to eliminating bloat and layers that slow things down. It's fast.
* Slicker, faster - lower hardware requirement than Win7.
* Boot under 10s from a cold start.
* Run legacy apps as before in Desktop, or new Metro-style apps.
* All screen output is hardware-accelerated, natively.
* Native support for ISOs and VHDs. Hyper-V built-in.
* Unprecedented flexibility for app development calling off new WinRT.
* Much-improved log-in (picture password, PIN, etc), remote desktop, multi-monitor, secured boot (to prevent malware injections at boot time), Windows To Go (run off USB drive), to name but a few.
* Built-in Refresh and Reset.
* "Windows re-imagined from chip-set to user experience" is not an exaggeration. Check out the video for yourself. (BUILD is an event for developers, so not really end-user oriented.)
The new UI is extremely intuitive - everything works consistently and they way you'd expect it to, with mouse, keyboard, or with touch. It makes much more sense and is so much easier it makes the "old" way of doing things seem quite arcane. New users will love the UI, as will most power users and techies. It's a small group in the middle that might face some challenges - not because the new way is hard but because it's hard to unlearn old ways. (We've been here before - I remember the shift from character-based to GUI ... for years people would still open up DOS boxes to perform file ops. We're gonna have to unlearn all the old ways of navigating the old desktop paradigm. Anyone remember how certain 'expert user' segment hated XP's "tele tubbies" ui and refused to use it? This is a very much bigger and bolder step.)
Now back to my Visual Studio. The Win8 dev tools come down later tonight.
* Sinofsky seriously committed to eliminating bloat and layers that slow things down. It's fast.
* Slicker, faster - lower hardware requirement than Win7.
* Boot under 10s from a cold start.
* Run legacy apps as before in Desktop, or new Metro-style apps.
* All screen output is hardware-accelerated, natively.
* Native support for ISOs and VHDs. Hyper-V built-in.
* Unprecedented flexibility for app development calling off new WinRT.
* Much-improved log-in (picture password, PIN, etc), remote desktop, multi-monitor, secured boot (to prevent malware injections at boot time), Windows To Go (run off USB drive), to name but a few.
* Built-in Refresh and Reset.
* "Windows re-imagined from chip-set to user experience" is not an exaggeration. Check out the video for yourself. (BUILD is an event for developers, so not really end-user oriented.)
The new UI is extremely intuitive - everything works consistently and they way you'd expect it to, with mouse, keyboard, or with touch. It makes much more sense and is so much easier it makes the "old" way of doing things seem quite arcane. New users will love the UI, as will most power users and techies. It's a small group in the middle that might face some challenges - not because the new way is hard but because it's hard to unlearn old ways. (We've been here before - I remember the shift from character-based to GUI ... for years people would still open up DOS boxes to perform file ops. We're gonna have to unlearn all the old ways of navigating the old desktop paradigm. Anyone remember how certain 'expert user' segment hated XP's "tele tubbies" ui and refused to use it? This is a very much bigger and bolder step.)
Now back to my Visual Studio. The Win8 dev tools come down later tonight.
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MightyMuffinMan
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got to agree.I heard the same story about windows 7 and it the best OS microsoft has ever made so i am glad to be hearing it
Cannot wait, i love testing windows beta's
end of the microsoft has got it game, set and match. Apple can only pull certain gimmicks for a time.
Arthur
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Some first responses to the pre-beta Win8 release to developers:
* Softpedia - "Gaming on Windows 8: Hard Reset" - all works fine, maybe even better than under Win7
* The Atlantic Wire - "Here's why you'll ditch your iPad" - "Windows 8 might wow the world, providing a real competitor to Apple's iPad dominance. And we were right. Or at least that's what early critics are saying, giving the new product rave reviews."
* Gizmodo - "Hands On With The Windows 8 Slate: It's Fantastic" - Let's start with what it's like to touch the thing: fantastic. It is, in fact, the most usable gesture-based interface on the market. It goes beyond what Apple has done by quite a bit. The entire operating system is navigable in a way that is both completely new, and yet familiar within a few minutes of use. Navigation includes some by now familiar touchscreen elements, but is largely novel.
Microsoft was deeply humbled by the Vista fiasco, so they know they've got to get this right. If they don't, it could well spell the end. Platform changes are always the riskiest times, and this is most definintely a platform change in many ways.
* Softpedia - "Gaming on Windows 8: Hard Reset" - all works fine, maybe even better than under Win7
* The Atlantic Wire - "Here's why you'll ditch your iPad" - "Windows 8 might wow the world, providing a real competitor to Apple's iPad dominance. And we were right. Or at least that's what early critics are saying, giving the new product rave reviews."
* Gizmodo - "Hands On With The Windows 8 Slate: It's Fantastic" - Let's start with what it's like to touch the thing: fantastic. It is, in fact, the most usable gesture-based interface on the market. It goes beyond what Apple has done by quite a bit. The entire operating system is navigable in a way that is both completely new, and yet familiar within a few minutes of use. Navigation includes some by now familiar touchscreen elements, but is largely novel.
Microsoft was deeply humbled by the Vista fiasco, so they know they've got to get this right. If they don't, it could well spell the end. Platform changes are always the riskiest times, and this is most definintely a platform change in many ways.
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killadoob
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Sounds flippin hot arthur, when will the slate be available? cause it's got my name on it
Elimentals
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The only thing they did wrong with Vista was not release it to Hardware OEM's with enough lead time to create proper drivers. I suspect the Vista ready debacle also added to the problems.
Guess that is why we getting Win 8 So early in the development so they dont get the same problems.... again.
That being said I hope they will listen to us this time around as I can already see some things that need improving but like you said this is the 1st view we getting and there is still a long road till final.
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I'm busy watching that 1hr keynote right now with a glass of Wine in one hand (haha, yes, so I'm probably easily influenced). I told a geek friend on Facebook earlier today that I'll just be happy for now if this current release at least supports all the stuff -stably- I'm used to in Windows, without worrying too much about the MetroUI etc.
However, what they did here is mind-blowing.
I'm just a mediocre programmer who switched to data migration a few months ago but that is enough to understand how incredibly cool the API model and the potential of what they've done here is. In fact, you almost feel guilty when you watch how easy it is to create applications on Win8 and the new VS now (I mean, an app-store menu option in VS that does anything from quality checking to demo/shareware options FOR YOU, holy crap)
How cool was that part where the dude showed the image import, and you realize that it's interfacing with a "contract", effectively meaning that your app. will actually just "go with the flow" without having to write a line of code in future?!?!
I've never seen a company who paid as much attention to simplifying abstraction as much as MS has with this release. Of course, they'd better since they've almost always dominated the desktop space, but still, this is awesome...
So bicker all you want about little pieces of GUI issues (most of which, are almost always fixed by third party apps, or registry fixes etc.)
I can't wait to mess around with this.
Even a crappy developer like me would be able to create something of incredible worth for a lot of companies I've done projects on, while blowing their minds in the process (most of the mind-blowing would be completely undeserved...sssssssh). I don't even have to start from scratch, all the web services, all the code, all of that I can still use and just focus on dumping it in a metro-style UI using Visual Studio, which is without a moment of doubt the best, easiest Developer tool in the world.
Not to mention that something like a "hardcore" mobile Psion or Trimble device (that costs about R6-R8K) can now be bought as a complete PC that can also be taken "on the road".
However, what they did here is mind-blowing.
I'm just a mediocre programmer who switched to data migration a few months ago but that is enough to understand how incredibly cool the API model and the potential of what they've done here is. In fact, you almost feel guilty when you watch how easy it is to create applications on Win8 and the new VS now (I mean, an app-store menu option in VS that does anything from quality checking to demo/shareware options FOR YOU, holy crap)
How cool was that part where the dude showed the image import, and you realize that it's interfacing with a "contract", effectively meaning that your app. will actually just "go with the flow" without having to write a line of code in future?!?!
I've never seen a company who paid as much attention to simplifying abstraction as much as MS has with this release. Of course, they'd better since they've almost always dominated the desktop space, but still, this is awesome...
So bicker all you want about little pieces of GUI issues (most of which, are almost always fixed by third party apps, or registry fixes etc.)
I can't wait to mess around with this.
Even a crappy developer like me would be able to create something of incredible worth for a lot of companies I've done projects on, while blowing their minds in the process (most of the mind-blowing would be completely undeserved...sssssssh). I don't even have to start from scratch, all the web services, all the code, all of that I can still use and just focus on dumping it in a metro-style UI using Visual Studio, which is without a moment of doubt the best, easiest Developer tool in the world.
Not to mention that something like a "hardcore" mobile Psion or Trimble device (that costs about R6-R8K) can now be bought as a complete PC that can also be taken "on the road".
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