elvis_presley
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But I have only recently installed Windows 7
So? Why not just wait about 2 years after MS release Windows 8, like you did after they released Windows 7, no problem!
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So? Why not just wait about 2 years after MS release Windows 8, like you did after they released Windows 7, no problem!
elvis_presley
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FYI, this is a years-old fake news story. They're not looking at 128-bit. Anyway, there's no real reason for it now. x64 had a clear case - ability to address over 4gig memory (x64 can to 256TB or something), and the gains in virtualization were obvious must-haves. We're not really running into any instruction architecture walls right now.
elvis_presley
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MS has made it fairly clear (although they don't say it straight-out because they know how the tech press overreacts) that they're not going to try and emulate x86/x64 on ARM. Their commitment to the process is to make their dev tools make the port easy - as close to a simple recompile as necessary - and I think that's the right decision. Inconvenience the developer a little bit, and give the hundreds of millions of Win8-ARM users that there will be, proper native ARM apps. They showed MS Office (native C++) running on ARM in one of their demos, and that's a big, complex app by any measure, if that's doable, anything is. Seeing the Win8-ARM version will share the underlying APIs and driver models, unless you have an app that does really hardcore hardware specific tasks, I don't see why it should be hard to recompile.
Of course, .net based apps will just run out the box, no need for recompile or anything, the .net runtime will compile and run them as native code, just like WP7 does now. They've also made it quite clear (after the tech press went MOGGY) that no, they're NOT abandoning Silverlight, so those apps will run just fine too.
Elimentals
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I do understand that all applications written in .net will be able to run on both platforms with ease, as this was the aim for Silverlight and C# after all. Where I see them having a problem with the adoption of Windows 8 is applications written in anything else like Pascal, Delphi and all other programing languages that is not supported in the .net framework.
They also planing to support HTML5 that will make things easier but there will be a gap where many developers will have to go back to the drawing board. At least this is good news for .net developers as they will be high in demand.
elvis_presley
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Okay yes point taken. I see Delphi is planning an ARM version, But I wonder how many other companies will update their language tools.
Maybe we're overthinking this... If you absolutely require an app that there's not an ARM version for, you just buy an Atom-based tablet/netbook/whatever
Many people still use XP today cos vendors dropped driver support for specialized hardware, and they get by. Guess this is similar to that.g-d-zilla
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What the heck is "ARM" anyway? All these new OSes alarm me because Microsoft has forgotten "backwardly compatible" especially for peripheral hardware. Sure it keeps the industry fresh, but really "is dit nou nodig"? I'm still running W2KSP4 because I absolutely refuse to HAVE TO purchase a new scanner, a new printer, probably a totally new base unit with new processor and new RAM just so the OS is happy and keeps M$ in $$$s. This type of development is perfectly fine for business clients with a CAPEX budget of millions, but for home users, it's getting way out of reach.
Well "TJ99", here is one person still running 4 32-bit machines, two laptops and two desktops, and I refuse to be FORCED into massive expenditure just to keep industry players laughing all the way to the bank!
Well "TJ99", here is one person still running 4 32-bit machines, two laptops and two desktops, and I refuse to be FORCED into massive expenditure just to keep industry players laughing all the way to the bank!
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kingrob
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I love Windows 7 64-bit, not in a hurry to get anything else & it will be running my pc for the foreseeable future.
The big positive here is that Windows 8 sounds so much better than Windows Vista.
Please make us forget, so that the pain can finally go away.
The big positive here is that Windows 8 sounds so much better than Windows Vista.
Please make us forget, so that the pain can finally go away.
g-d-zilla
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I love Vista. Running Vista Ultimate 64-bit. It's like W2K SP4, purrs! Cannot say anything positive about XP-Home. Useless junk!
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Dear Microsoft.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!
Why Microsoft, WHY????????? 90% of the world has chosen Windows over all that other crap. If we wanted to use that ****, we'd have met Jobs and brought our own Vasaline.
My monitor is 24", with a resolution of 1920 x 1200 pixels. I don't need space saving scrollbars on my "all programs" window (or anywhere else!); I need something closer to the Windows XP interface. I use a mouse; I don't care what touch interfaces can do, they slow me down. I've been using PC's for 26 of my 31 years; I don't want simple and restricted, I want familiar and powerful.
Stop listening to journalists. They're part of the 10% of people too obsessed with "cool" to see that their Macs and iphones are inferior to the rest of the world's Windows PCs and Nokias. Give the rest of us what we want, not what those who make the most noise (Apple fanbois) want.
No it isn't, it's a link a series of 2 second clips separated by video of a spinning disk, thanks to the worlds worst online video player. I need to buffer my internationally hosted videos (yes, even on a 10MBps line). You tube lets me do this, the BBC doesn't, so I don't watch anything on the BBC; post the video to You tube and I'll watch it.
Dimpie (JIGSAW)
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elvis_presley
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There we go then, nobody's forcing you to upgrade your scanner, OS or CPU. The rest of the world can move on to the new stuff, and you can keep doing what you've always done. I don't mean that in a bad way, there's nothing wrong with that... if it ain't broke, don't fix it! MS spends a metric crapload of money supporting legacy OSes, unlike other OS companies. You're barking up the wrong tree making them out as the bad guy here!
And yes, it is "nou nodig" as Windows needs to run on lower spec hardware to make the migration to tablets and other more portable devices.
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elvis_presley
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The old interface is going nowhere. Okay, it might be going one mouseclick away, and you can bet 17 seconds after Win8 is launched someone will make a freeware util to make it as the default desktop.
Even though I'm also a power user that's grown up with the start menu, icons on the desktop and command lines, today on Win7 I launch almost all my apps from those pinned to the taskbar. So I'll probably just use the live tiles interface, as the pinned icons have kind of migrated my workflow away from the start menu. And then if I click on the Visual Studio tile, it'll launch in the old UI. We'll have to see how it works. Nice thing is - the user still has the option, unlike Apple who makes the choices for the user. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92QfWOw88I - around 3 mins baldie shows the old/new UI flip.
falcon786
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+100,I recently had a discussion with some forum members about why I should get a tablet as as far as I can see my x10 with a 4inch screen and laptop combo is much more powerful than any tablet....I mean what can a tablet do that my phone cant?
And a laptop is much much better than a tablet anyday,so worth the extra weight for the days when your phone cant do what you need...
After their tablet fanboyish comments(I was considering buying into the hype before that,lol almost got a tablet) I have concluded one thing,MOST people just go for tablets coz of the hype.
No different to the isheep mentality that causes people to que for days outside stores....
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Am I the only one here thinking there's going to be Windows 8 [ARM/X86/X6/Itanium] [Basic/Home Premium/Professional/Ultimate] versions with each one targeting a different device so that they officially won't support "running Crysis on ARM", for example
mcryan
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Umm, maybe you missed the news that Microsoft has just officially sold over 400 million copies of Windows 7. That's over 250 million in the last twelve months. What part of that represents that they have in any way fallen?
elvis_presley
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He's talking about news coverage, which MS has actually been getting TONS of lately. He must read too many open-source related sites. Also the article says "Today, only Google, Twitter and Facebook can do that" ... glaring ommission leaving out Apple, the undisputed king of generating media coverage.
Old ones maybe, my Atom netbook runs Win 7 ultimate x64. I don't know of any 32 bit Atoms still being sold. And even if they were, it would be a tiny percentage of notebooks and desktops, which are all 64 bit, still making the statement in the article wrong.
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