Work Hours and Success

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When looking at high achievers (Successful individuals with wealth, accolades or recognition) in the world I've encountered 2 distinct "strategies".

Those who work 100 hours a week including weekends, simply out-competing everyone around them (i.e. Elon Musk).
Those who employ an optimizing strategy, focusing on doing the least amount of work with the highest value and certainly not putting in excess hours (i.e. Tim Ferriss).

Both could be said to work smart vs hard depending on their focus in those hours - so that's a little off topic. Who knows which of these high achiever types actually enjoy life (Or success) and whether that's the point of it all.

In doing a bit of basic reading on the subject I'm somewhat confused on the matter as well. In the book - Peak Performance, by Brad Stulberg and Steve Magness, the entire theme revolves around periodization of stress and rest, both in physical training as well as in the business environment. The best achievers supposedly know how and when to rest properly and actually prioritize it just as seriously as work. Yet some of the wealthiest or successful people out there seem to have made their way through extreme grit and an absolute abhorrence of vacations and rest - implying that simply outworking everyone else consistently is the way to get ahead.

By monitoring my own time lately I've also found a couple of inconsistencies and interesting observations as well:

1. The amount of hours I spend a day doing mundane but necessary things is actually quite significant (Cleaning, shopping, commute, cooking, showering, family interruptions etc...) - making a 100 hours work week seem nearly impossible, where I might call BS on that claim anyway. And I'm single - imagine a family man trying to do that.
2. The amount of hours I spend a day actually working on my goals is far lower than I imagined. You will likely be shocked at this if you monitored your own time. Even if some of my goals are aligned with my career, the repetitive mundane stuff you have to do on a job doesn't necessarily push you forward either. For example rather than take a call from a client with a problem or a project I'm really not interested in but could take hours/days - I could be learning or working on a new technology instead, but this isn't a choice I can necessarily make.
3. If you actually want to commit a decent amount of time to your goals - you probably need to turn off that TV and any other entertainment for good. You will again be shocked at how much time this takes out of the remainder of your measly 16 - 18 hour (awake) day if you wish to commit an effective amount of time on your goals.
4. I have too many hobbies (Gym, Guitar, Gaming) - even if I only have 3 of them. I would be very sad to drop any of them off the radar but likely would keep gym (Health) and drop the other 2 if forced to choose. Even just going to gym could take up to 2 hours out of your day including getting changed, planning routines, travel etc...
5. It is sometimes a little tricky to classify what exactly is work. Is getting dressed for work part of those 100 hours? Is doing chores/errands just to maintain your livelihood part of those 100 hours? Or are these guys really pushing beyond that?
6. I can't decide whether 8 hours a day of sleep or less than 6 hours is the "right" thing to do. Again there is so much conflicting info about success (more hours or more rest) in this domain.

Anyway the above is just for the sake of sharing my thoughts. Clearly I overthink :D

So I'm curious:

How many hours a week do you work?
How many of those hours are aligned with your goals/pursuits in life?
Do you consider yourself a high achiever?
Do you meticulously plan and/or monitor your time/days/weeks/goals?
 
The only time a lot of work aligns with success is if you're doing a startup (that succeeds). Otherwise 99% of the time you're just a cog in the wheel and you might as well have just put in the minimum amount of hours (or whatever the culture in your company demands).

Don't look at the top 1% of the people that have made it and try to reverse engineer how they did it. If you do you come up with nonsensical (but true) values such as having to get up on the left side of the bed, brush your hair exactly 3 times etc., none of which actually had anything to do with how they did it.
 
If I work 100 hour weeks including weekends, all that means is I get paid less per hour and that does definitely not lead to success, it just leads to burnout.
 
If I work 100 hour weeks including weekends, all that means is I get paid less per hour and that does definitely not lead to success, it just leads to burnout.

True, perhaps with a small exception to say if you want to be a specialist in your particular field (Depending on the field) who can then demand more pay per hour provide much more value once you reach a high level of expertise. And I don't know why but wall street traders, high end business executives and the like also keep popping up in my mind. Not only entrepreneurs.
 
I'm sorry but that logic doesn't seem to ring true for everyone. There is no recipe for success. If there was a grave digger would dig 24/7 and be a billionaire.

Time spent has nothing to do with success in the greater scheme of things, there are exceptions though just like anything else. Imagine you working 45hours a week overtime. Will that change your wealth status? It will bring in a bucket load of cash for sure, but you aint going to get rich doing it.

That is where the old age saying rings true, work smarter not harder.

Like I said, it's not a fit all theory.Going by the exceptions and thinking that is why they are successful will make you lose focus on your own ambitions and successes.

Edit: as for your questions:

How many hours a week do you work?
+- 40 hours

How many of those hours are aligned with your goals/pursuits in life? Of those 40 hours, none I give it to my employer. I do spend about 10 hours on studies a week

Do you consider yourself a high achiever? Above average, but not a high achiever no

Do you meticulously plan and/or monitor your time/days/weeks/goals? Nope, I have set routines and then I have weekends to relax and de-stress. If I don't I'll probably won't make it to 50 :D
 
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True, perhaps with a small exception to say if you want to be a specialist in your particular field (Depending on the field) who can then demand more pay per hour provide much more value once you reach a high level of expertise. And I don't know why but wall street traders, high end business executives and the like also keep popping up in my mind. Not only entrepreneurs.

Sure if you are an entrepreneur or someone who gets paid for the hours they work sure, but that brings money, and money is not always success. For me, it doesn't matter, I can work 24/7 for a month and still get the same salary at the end of the month, so no matter how much actual work I put in, I won't earn more or be more successful. I might get better with what I'm doing and specialize more though, or I might just ruin the love i have for my career because I don't do anything else.

Over working yourself will lead to success for people who deem being a CEO of a company a success, and wants to strive for it, but that doesn't necessarily mean success for everyone
 
I'm sorry but that logic doesn't seem to ring true for everyone. There is no recipe for success. If there was a grave digger would dig 24/7 and be a billionaire.

Time spent has nothing to do with success in the greater scheme of things, there are exceptions though just like anything else. Imagine you working 45hours a week overtime. Will that change your wealth status? It will bring in a bucket load of cash for sure, but you aint going to get rich doing it.

That is where the old age saying rings true, work smarter not harder.

Like I said, it's not a fit all theory.Going by the exceptions and thinking that is why they are successful will make you lose focus on your own ambitions and successes.

Edit: as for your questions:

How many hours a week do you work?
+- 40 hours

How many of those hours are aligned with your goals/pursuits in life? Of those 40 hours, none I give it to my employer. I do spend about 10 hours on studies a week

Do you consider yourself a high achiever? Above average, but not a high achiever no

Do you meticulously plan and/or monitor your time/days/weeks/goals? Nope, I have set routines and then I have weekends to relax and de-stress. If I don't I'll probably won't make it to 50 :D

Thanks :)

On the bolded part, true. Though perhaps the idea would be for said grave digger to have alternative goals/ambitions for achievement ultimately (Unless he/she is happy). I doubt anyone has, "dig 1000 graves" on their new years resolutions :D Well if they did I'd be a little worried :erm:
 
Thanks :)

On the bolded part, true. Though perhaps the idea would be for said grave digger to have alternative goals/ambitions for achievement ultimately (Unless he/she is happy). I doubt anyone has, "dig 1000 graves" on their new years resolutions :D Well if they did I'd be a little worried :erm:

Fair assessment :o

Point just was though. Unless your time is actually money (self employed) you will hardly every see the value in working long hours. Not saying you can't better yourself with external studies and the likes (I've been doing it for ages). However, you need to have some kind of balance. Working 100 hours a week is retarded and has no bearing on the success of Elon Musk.

I'm sure that when he reaches 60 years of age he will think back and wishes he spent more time doing thing he liked and spent it with people he loved than sitting at the office :)
 
Success is just being the right person, at the right place at the right time.
 
We had an interesting experience a while ago with a friend of ours, he started working for a company a bit far from home, so most nights he would sleep close to the office because he is only finishing up at work after 10pm and needs to be back there at 5am, and its like a 4 hour drive or something.

He was rolling in cash, but when we were braaiing one day he asked us what he should buy his wife for her birthday, he had gotten so out of touch with his personal life and work was consuming all of his time that he did not know what his kids were interested in anymore and what was happening in his relationship. His colleagues seemed to think that the harder and longer you work the better off you will be, but we saw with him that is not true. Even if he had all the money he could ever want, he did irreparable damage to his personal happiness.
 
Success is just being the right person, at the right place at the right time.

Pretty much.
I am reasonably certain that Mr Musk already has regrets. His marriage and relationships don't last.

I've seen many people like this in my time... all they do is work... screw family, and friends.
 
How many hours a week do you work?
40
How many of those hours are aligned with your goals/pursuits in life?
0
Do you consider yourself a high achiever?
Yes
Do you meticulously plan and/or monitor your time/days/weeks/goals?
Yes. I meticulously check where i can squeeze a hobby activity in at work, funerals, weddings, etc.
Life is to be enjoyed.

What good is it being wealthy at an old age and have a decent retirement plan if all you do is sit and wait to die during that time?
 
How many hours a week do you work?
Including studies and personal projects, around 55-60 hours per week
How many of those hours are aligned with your goals/pursuits in life?
15-20 hours
Do you consider yourself a high achiever?
Yes
Do you meticulously plan and/or monitor your time/days/weeks/goals?
Nope. I plan, but not meticulously. I don't monitor my time spent. I had no idea I was spending 15-20 hours on personal projects until reading this thread.
 
For some people, their work is pleasurable, and then it's easy to put in long hours. For example, many scientists, academics, musicians, writers, artists, programmers etc. genuinely enjoy what they do and don't mind working into the late night or over weekends.
 
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