Would you keep wearing a mask?

[pinball wizard]

There's a guy on the right of the photo without a mask and without a cloud, there's another guy to the right of your brown glove guy with no cloud.

Could it be they were not breathing out at the time?

Brown gloves also appears to be using a buff style thingy, which are apparently more harmful than no mask. According to science and doctors and studies and stuff.

 

[zll]

False equivalence.

Awesome.

No. I would not be wearing a mask now either.

Certain minds are so delightfully susceptible to fear it's almost comically absurd.

On the subject of false equivalence: the point was to highlight the sheer lack of empathy, because yes, people are randomly murdered in this country every damn day. A random chance of death doesn't make the death of that person any less tragic.

For me it's not about fear. It's about protecting people around me who are far more likely to die than I am. Or if that makes me a coward, so be it. I'd rather be a coward with his friends and family alive than put them at unnecessary risk.

 

[zll]

On a scale of 0 to 100, a percentage if you will, where do you ware the efficiency of masks against a so-called virus?

I don't personally know. But like with anything in life, I trust people with far greater knowledge than me. When I go to the doctor, I trust they are not giving me poison. When I go to the mechanic, I assume they know what they are doing with my car. So as experts learn more about covid, I will let their knowledge guide me because I trust them more than some random on a forum or social media.

Trying to attack a person's argument because they base their information on an expert's views is ridiculous. The amount of people here who think they know more than doctors who have spent their lives working in the relevant fields is insane.

 

[Brian_G]

Nope. It's the other experts' advice that is being ignored, from the top down.

Not about experts, it's about politics now.

 

[zll]

How many microns should a mask's holes be in your professional medical opinion so the spike protein may be entangled?

Would said micron estimate be sufficient for healthy airflow into the lungs in your opinion?

Do you reckon the carbon dioxide that may be trapped within my own mask for reinhilation cause any damage at all?

If so, how much do you reckon that may be?

Do you think this has anything to do with the current respiratory symptoms experienced globally?

Can you get COVID through your eyes?

Should we not have eye masks?

Should we not be wearing butt-plugs?

Awaiting your professional opinion. Not a link to something that corroborates your point of view, merely your own as a medical professional.

The fact that he is not a medical expert himself is not the issue if he is basing his decisions upon information provided to him by experts, so please stop with that rubbish.

Real world example: my dad wanted to build a flat roof house. Every person who actually worked in construction that he spoke to at the time told him the roof needed to be at least 15 degrees to prevent issues with rain. My father went "but in India the roofs are only 5 degrees", so he built it 5 degrees.

Guess what? That roof has had problems during the rainy season since he bloody well built the damn thing.

If you don't trust experts to provide you with the best information they have at the time, please stop going to doctors, mechanics, or anyone with any sort of specialist knowledge. They are misinforming you. Better to trust Facebook and yourself so you don't make the wrong decisions.

 

[zll]

No. Never.

Wearing prescription glasses with this ****ing mask kak is torturous especially when going shopping because then it causes my glasses to fog up, meaning I can't see ****!

I wear glasses and here's what I do to prevent fogging most of the time: mask on, then put on a sports buff. Put glasses on nose. The pressure from the bridge of the glasses pushes down on the sports buff and the bridge of the nose and stops the air from rising sufficiently to keep your glasses clear.

 

[rustypup]

It's about protecting people around me who are far more likely to die than I am

We're a disease riddled species. SARS-CoV-2 is just the latest in a long line of diseases you could play transmission vector for.

Why take special steps now?

Let's be clear - we've blown the next 50/80 years of this country's future to provide a tiny proportion of people another 5/8 years of life. If you want to bemoan senseless killing, take this into account.

Irrational fear is what this was about. Let's not pretend it was anything else.

 

[Brian_G]

Don't bother, he seems to be one of those who hits the ignore button for some Forumites he doesn't agree with.
At least our replies help prevent confusion for others.

 

[zll]

We're a disease riddled species. SARS-CoOV-2 is just the latest in a long line of diseases you could play transmission vector for.

Why take special steps now?

Let's be clear - we've blow the next 50/80 years of this country's future to provide a tiny proportion of people another 5/8 years of life. If you want to bemoan senseless killing, take this into account.

Irrational fear is what this was about. Let's not pretend it was anything else.

Why take special steps now? Because up until now, there has been nothing that I could have come into contact with that had as great a chance of making someone sick and killing them, apart from AIDS, which is why I wore condoms (that and the fact that I don't want to accidentally make a baby). TB is bad as well, but as long as you're reasonably healthy your chances of getting infected and becoming a transmission vector are incredibly low. I learnt this from my father who worked in a TB clinic, but here's some information if you'd like to know more:

TB Risk Factors

Information on the risk factors for developing TB.

www.cdc.gov

I would agree that there's always been fear, particularly around the start. No-one knew what the hell was going on and some of the predicted numbers looked insane. Now we know more, and I make my decisions based on protecting those around me. Others may still be kak scared, but it's not like every time I go to the shops I am going "Omg I might get this virus and kill my gf's parents". Now I am taking every reasonable precaution based on expert advice to protect the people I love and go about my business.

If you want to argue because I am scared of potentially killing someone I care about, then sure, maybe it's fear based, but it's not like every waking moment I spend outside around people (even the people I come across who don't take precautions) has me going "OMG I GOT COVID!" and has me locking myself away. Do I feel scared when I go outside? No. More often I feel shocked when I see people who treat this disease like it doesn't exist.

 

[Zurg]

Its a no from me, only time I wear one now is when I go shopping. Other than that nope.

Also why do people wear a mask while driving ALONE in a car

Perhaps they believe its in the air.

 

[Zurg]

Better yet, why do they wear the mask over their chin when driving alone?

Chin diaper

 

[DanDango]

Yes, wearing a mask doesn't bother me at all.

This, wearing a mask is like the new normal for me.

 

[netstrider]

Why take special steps now? Because up until now, there has been nothing that I could have come into contact with that had as great a chance of making someone sick and killing them, apart from AIDS, which is why I wore condoms (that and the fact that I don't want to accidentally make a baby). TB is bad as well, but as long as you're reasonably healthy your chances of getting infected and becoming a transmission vector are incredibly low. I learnt this from my father who worked in a TB clinic, but here's some information if you'd like to know more:

TB Risk Factors

Information on the risk factors for developing TB.

www.cdc.gov

I would agree that there's always been fear, particularly around the start. No-one knew what the hell was going on and some of the predicted numbers looked insane. Now we know more, and I make my decisions based on protecting those around me. Others may still be kak scared, but it's not like every time I go to the shops I am going "Omg I might get this virus and kill my gf's parents". Now I am taking every reasonable precaution based on expert advice to protect the people I love and go about my business.

If you want to argue because I am scared of potentially killing someone I care about, then sure, maybe it's fear based, but it's not like every waking moment I spend outside around people (even the people I come across who don't take precautions) has me going "OMG I GOT COVID!" and has me locking myself away. Do I feel scared when I go outside? No. More often I feel shocked when I see people who treat this disease like it doesn't exist.

So it was impossible to contract TB?

 

[Grant]

How many microns should a mask's holes be in your professional medical opinion so the spike protein may be entangled?

Would said micron estimate be sufficient for healthy airflow into the lungs in your opinion?

Do you reckon the carbon dioxide that may be trapped within my own mask for reinhilation cause any damage at all?

If so, how much do you reckon that may be?

Do you think this has anything to do with the current respiratory symptoms experienced globally?

Can you get COVID through your eyes?

Should we not have eye masks?

Should we not be wearing butt-plugs?

Awaiting your professional opinion. Not a link to something that corroborates your point of view, merely your own as a medical professional.

First bit of advice - ask the appropriately qualified person for advice or opinion, don't ask your dentist for opinion on your skull fracture, don't ask your nephrologist for opinion on your psychiatric disorders.


This is where you would find a cardiac perfusionist.





If you want to know a little about the use of a custodial solution in a roller vs centrifugal cardio-pulmonary pump, ask away.
If you want to know a little more on post perfusion syndrome - go for it

I can probably help with your butt-plug question. In your particular case the answer would be yes - as a result of excessive dilation and the resultant collapse of the sphincter muscle.

 

[haroldj]

Yes, around strangers in public, but not with relatives, this mask thing, should in future be a norm, you should worry about your own health and well-being, what others think is irrelevant.

 

[rustypup]

Because up until now, there has been nothing that I could have come into contact with that had as great a chance of making someone sick and killing them

BS. You're claiming never to have carried influenza? Ever?

 

[zll]

BS. You're claiming never to have carried influenza? Ever?

Since I got brochitis and almost cracked my head open in the late 2000s because I was like "ag it's only a bad flu" and passed out in the shower, I've always stayed at home for a minimum of 2 - 3 days when I had flu or flu symptoms. No job was worth hacking up my lungs again.

Thankfully I've lived with my brother for many years and when I got sick I always asked him to buy the things I need and leave it outside my room so I can get them when I need to. I didn't mask up, but when I was sick I avoided him when I needed to go to the toilet, shower, etc. so he wouldn't get ill.

But here's something that's going to probably blow your mind.

The last time I had mild flu symptoms was in autumn-ish 2019 and I HAD to go into work to deal with something for a few hours. Guess what I did?

I went to Clicks, bought a pack of masks, and put one on. People looked at me like I was a madman when they asked me why I was wearing the mask and I said I probably had the flu and I didn't want to make anyone else sick. I explained to them in a lot of Asian countries they wear masks during flu season, or at very least when they have flu symptoms to stop others from getting ill. My co-workers sort of went "I wouldn't do it, but that's very kind of you". Even though I was in an air-conditioned office close to people, no-one else got sick.

So before I got bronchitis did I maybe pass the flu onto someone? Sure. Maybe. In fact, probably. The likelihood that anyone I accidentally passed it onto got sick enough to die? Probably less than 0.01%, at least according these numbers.

https://www.goodrx.com/blog/flu-vs-coronavirus-mortality-and-death-rates-by-year/

 

[rustypup]

The likelihood that anyone I accidentally passed it onto got sick enough to die?

...and then they passed it on... then that victim passed it on... and so on and so forth.

Everything gets everywhere.

Nobody lives forever.

Cowering is not a choice. It's a reaction.

 

[zll]

...and then they passed it on... then that victim passed it on... and so on and so forth.

Everything gets everywhere.

Nobody lives forever.

Cowering is not a choice. It's a reaction.

Maybe people have gotten the flu from me. Maybe a friend's friend's friend's grandfather coughed at the wrong moment because of the flu I passed on, crashed into a group of pedestrians, flipped his car, which then exploded, sending glass flying everywhere and blinding a surgeon who planned to operate and save a dying man. It's not very likely, but maybe it happened.

Not everything gets everywhere. Aids was a major problem in the early 2000s. It's still a major issue. But if you're going to sleep with someone and want a 99.99% chance of protecting yourself, either wear a condom or ask your male partner to wear one. Please, this isn't even a good counter-argument.

Nobody lives forever. Sure. So let's just kill ourselves now right? I mean, we're all going to die so why not?

I love how a simple act of wearing a mask which has been shown to have an impact on Covid-19 infection rates is seen not as an act of empathy or caring, but an act of cowardice.

I am going to ask you specifically @rustypup: do you people not have any friends or family who have conditions? Or do you dislike them so much that you wouldn't blink and eye or even shed a single tear if they got Covid and died tomorrow?

I have friends and family who are very at risk to this disease. For their sakes, I don't mind minimizing contact with people, or taking the necessary steps that medical experts are recommending. It's not like I am being asked to donate a kidney, or hell, even blood.

 

[rustypup]

Maybe people have gotten the flu from me

Not. Maybe.

If your measure of infectious is symptomatic you are somewhat ignorant of how this works.

The bulk of infected will be asymptomatic. By the time you *are* symptomatic, you have already been infectious for some time.

do you dislike them so much that you wouldn't blink and eye or even shed a single tear if they got Covid and died tomorrow?

People die. It's what they do. If not COVID, then cancer, diabetes, congestive heart failure....

People die. My advice, accept and embrace this or your life is going to devolve into one of hopelessness and misery.

I have friends and family who are very at risk to this disease

If true, you are deluding yourself that they are only at risk to *this* disease....