XBox 360 versus PS3

[antonc]

That is the crappest article I have ever seen here. I clicked it hoping for an analysis on available games for each consol, a look at how they stack up online in an S-A environment, what we can expect from each moving forward..... at least.

I hope there's more coming to that article otherwise it really should get moved off the site.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Uhm, last I checked, RPM could post what he damn well pleases on his site .... what a cheek that you can lambaste it like you lot are <insert expletive of choice here> off and don't read it if you don't like it, kthanksbye. And it was an article from the Times fyi .......

Staff Writer, The Times

 

[EtienneK]

Uhm, last I checked, RPM could post what he damn well pleases on his site .... what a cheek that you can lambaste it like you lot are <insert expletive of choice here> off and don't read it if you don't like it, kthanksbye. And it was an article from the Times fyi .......

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know constructive criticism wasn't allowed on this site. Ok, go on then. Post all the crap you guys want! But don't expect your readers to take it!

 

[Johand]

This is a horrible article. It seems more like a promotion to me than an actual factual article.

What really gets me down, why are PlayStation and XBox always in the headlines as the two main competitors of of this generation when the Wii is OUTSELLING BOTH OF THEM worldwide. In fact the Wii gets almost no press coverage. Its games are not reviewed as often as the other two consoles. I suspect that is because Sony and Microsoft has been sending demo units and games around. But this does not excuse the media for not trying to be objective.

Before people starts yapping that the Wii is not that powerful etc. etc. - the media is suppose to report on public interest. The public is more interested in Wii regardless of its specifications. That's why it is outselling the other systems.

This article is a marketing blurb and MyBroadband/The Times lost points for punting it as news. Hell - even the prices are specified at the bottom like an ad.

 

[tinman]

Alright alright, its one bad article. Lets not get too carried away. Obviously RPM is not an expert when it comes to console gaming. He saw an "Xbox360/PS3" article on the times website (a highly reputable source) and figured he would make use of his distribution rights.

Lets not get carried away by saying the journalistic integrity of the site has gone to pot based on one crappy article.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know constructive criticism wasn't allowed on this site. Ok, go on then. Post all the crap you guys want! But don't expect your readers to take it!

oh get off your snappity high-horse ....... there's a difference between constructive criticism and one line moaning (who says I was even meaning you in the 1st place).

 

[tinman]

The public is more interested in Wii regardless of its specifications. That's why it is outselling the other systems.

MyBroadband does not target the general public, a recent survey conducted on the site showed that MB users show a far higher propensity towards using PS3/Xbox360 and PC than they do Wii.

So obviously these platforms will be given more attention.

 

[EtienneK]

Lets not get carried away by saying the journalistic integrity of the site has gone to pot based on one crappy article.

tinman, the problem is I've seen this a couple of times. Usually when there are articles about any Core Group products (Wii & Apple Products) they also read like adverts.

The only news I read on MyBB nowadays is anything to do with the local telecoms industry. I disregard most of the tech news, because I don't know what to trust.

 

[Johand]

Alright alright, its one bad article. Lets not get to carried away. Obviously RPM is not an expert when it comes to console gaming. He saw an "Xbox360/PS3" article on the times website (a highly reputable source) and figured he would make use of his distribution rights.

Lets not get carried away by saying the journalistic integrity of the site has gone to pot based on one crappy article.

I accept that this was syndication (probably automatic - I can't find the original on The Times website though).

But articles like this is a problem for a trusted news site. Why? If MyBroadband runs an article comparing broadband services and they say that a report shows that Telkom provides the best service in the country I would have to believe them. I can't then start questioning their syndication partners etc. Back to the example - if the hypothetical Telkom service article was syndicated through The Times but it is actually a Times staff writer rewriting the press release of Telkom's in-house public relations office and they interviewed 10 Telkom call centre employees to reach this consulsion your logic says that it is ok to appear on MyBroadband. I say this is not the case.

It is a growing problem in the media. Just look at Fin24. They run headlines based on what people from the home loan departments (with vested interest thus) say on where house prices are going as fact. Look for example at this screenshot of their webpage: http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php?photo=8915&cat=500 - If you can't spot the problem PM me.

The only way to correct this is scream as loud as you can. It is a case of who watches to watchman. The media is suppose to look out for our interest. If they have vested interest we need to use every channel to correct it. The Times are not going to run an article: Yes, we are wrong and we released press releases as fact.

I think I will contact the times as soon as I confirm the source of this article to see how it ties in with their published commitment to be more objective after their internal study showed several flaws in their organization.

 

[Bona Botse]

is this a joke? what a LOL "article"

 

[CHURCHILL]

I dont see why everyone is getting uptight about this thread, the only thing that could be wrong is maybe the headline, as for the information, its all true, there is no misleading what so ever,

The article states;

This is currently the most contentious arena in gaming: which console is best, Microsoft's Xbox 360 or Sony's PS3? Ultimately, it's a question of personal taste and budget, as the recorded differences in graphic quality are minor.

This is true.

The PS3 occupies the upper end of the market with a price tag more than twice that of a similar Xbox, but the hardware delivers slightly more than its competitors.

This is also true.

The PS3 has a built-in Blue-Ray player and significant on board- hard drive that makes it a better bet for those seeking an all-in-one home entertainment computer and with sophisticated styling and sleek menu design it looks great next to a high-end LCD television.

This is also true.

Price: About R4 900 (40GB), R5 100 (80GB), R5 600 (160GB).

and so is this.

 

[Johand]

MyBroadband does not target the general public, a recent survey conducted on the site showed that MB users show a far higher propensity towards using PS3/Xbox360 and PC than they do Wii.

So obviously these platforms will be given more attention.

You can't argue it both ways. This article was syndicated from The Times. My problem is with The Times' and other news outlet's reporting - which bears no relation to the readership of MyBroadband.

And anyway - you cannot use MyBroadband surveys as scientific fact. Sample sizes are too small, and the mechanism is biased to certain individuals e.g. if Firefox users were more likely to use RSS feeds than go to the main page because of the internal reader, and Firefox users were more likely to choose Wii because they don't accept things at face value they are also the people who will miss out on the survey. Meanwhile all the IE users vote because they have nothing else todo while the page loads. This is just an example though

There is a reason most scientific surveys include more than one question - it is to prevent these type of problems. The MyBB surveys are fun - but don't stake your life on it.

And frankly - this also points out what is wrong with the media. You have to have CONTEXT and you have to analyze the actual data. You can't be a monkey who just repeats things.

 

[tinman]

OK - Official MB response

This article should never have been published. RPM received it through a Times feed, which is usually very reliable. Due to things being hectic around here and what not, the article skipped quality control.

(Translation: We goofed, sorry.)

Unfortunately the Times dropped the ball and so did we.

While the article is utter shyte, it is at least in no way misleading or untrue. It just really doesn't say anything.

We appreciate you guys making a noise, after all, MB is a community driven website and we should not get away with publishing anything below a certain quality level.

However, please appreciate that we do make mistakes. This article was one of them. We will not be taking it down as we believe it unethical to take down articles once published. A bad article is a bad article and we MB does not pretend to be perfect, and we don't hide our mistakes.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

My problem is with The Times' and other news outlet's reporting - which bears no relation to the readership of MyBroadband.

... how so? we have a sizable gaming section.

OK - Official MB response

This article should never have been published. RPM received it through a Times feed, which is usually very reliable. Due to things being hectic around here and what not, the article skipped quality control.

(Translation: We goofed, sorry.)

Unfortunately the Times dropped the ball and so did we.

While the article is utter shyte, it is at least in no way misleading or untrue. It just really doesn't say anything.

We appreciate you guys making a noise, after all, MB is a community driven website and we should not get away with publishing anything below a certain level quality.

However, please appreciate that we do make mistakes. This article was one of them. We will however not be taking it down as we believe it unethical to take down articles once published. A bad article is a bad article and we MB does not pretend to be perfect, and we don't hide our mistakes.

IMO, there is no need to apologize ..... (not that I agree with the dof article)

 

[tinman]

You can't argue it both ways. This article was syndicated from The Times. My problem is with The Times' and other news outlet's reporting - which bears no relation to the readership of MyBroadband.

And anyway - you cannot use MyBroadband surveys as scientific fact. Sample sizes are too small, and the mechanism is biased to certain individuals e.g. if Firefox users were more likely to use RSS feeds than go to the main page because of the internal reader, and Firefox users were more likely to choose Wii because they don't accept things at face value they are also the people who will miss out on the survey. Meanwhile all the IE users vote because they have nothing else todo while the page loads. This is just an example though

There is a reason most scientific surveys include more than one question - it is to prevent these type of problems. The MyBB surveys are fun - but don't stake your life on it.

And frankly - this also points out what is wrong with the media. You have to have CONTEXT and you have to analyze the actual data. You can't be a monkey who just repeats things.

Your are correct, context is important. This article obviously should not be on a site like MB. This was a mistake.

However, I would take you up on the argument that Wii users on MyBraodband are equal (or even close) in number to Xbox360/PS3/PC gamers...If that is what you are arguing?

 

[EtienneK]

OK - Official MB response

This article should never have been published. RPM received it through a Times feed, which is usually very reliable. Due to things being hectic around here and what not, the article skipped quality control.

(Translation: We goofed, sorry.)

Unfortunately the Times dropped the ball and so did we.

While the article is utter shyte, it is at least in no way misleading or untrue. It just really doesn't say anything.

We appreciate you guys making a noise, after all, MB is a community driven website and we should not get away with publishing anything below a certain quality level.

However, please appreciate that we do make mistakes. This article was one of them. We will not be taking it down as we believe it unethical to take down articles once published. A bad article is a bad article and we MB does not pretend to be perfect, and we don't hide our mistakes.

Thanks for the response, tinman.

I respect MyBB for admitting when they are wrong. Big up!

 

[CHURCHILL]

I honestly dont see why MyBB had to apologise, this thread is in the gaming section and was not misleading.

You can bet your left generative gland that, if this article was punting/favouring another make of console, no one would have complained and would have thought of this news as informative, and the thread would of reached between 10 - 15 posts and forgotten about.

 

[Johand]

I dont see why everyone is getting uptight about this thread, the only thing that could be wrong is maybe the headline, as for the information, its all true, there is no misleading what so ever,

The article states;

This is currently the most contentious arena in gaming: which console is best, Microsoft's Xbox 360 or Sony's PS3? Ultimately, it's a question of personal taste and budget, as the recorded differences in graphic quality are minor.

This is true.

Agreed.

The PS3 occupies the upper end of the market with a price tag more than twice that of a similar Xbox, but the hardware delivers slightly more than its competitors.


This is also true.

False. Subjective reporting. They could have rewritten it as "hardware delivers support for BluRay discs. They could have written the hardware theoretically supports higher detailed graphics. But you can't say the "hardware delivers more". What does it deliver more? My frekkin Wii controller delivers more degrees of freedom than a Playstation controller.

The PS3 has a built-in Blue-Ray player and significant on board- hard drive that makes it a better bet for those seeking an all-in-one home entertainment computer and with sophisticated styling and sleek menu design it looks great next to a high-end LCD television.


This is also true.

False - it is opinion. It is definitely not a complete "all-in-one home entertainment computer" for a lot of people - especially because the retail package does not include a keyboard by default. And the menu might look great ON a LCD TV. In fact that sentence doesn't even make sense. Anyway style can't be objectively measured. That is why style magazines etc. normally put the person's name next to an article for the same reasons as movie critics have to put their names next to their reviews. Mr. Staff Writer can have no opinion over style or personal choice because he is in fact not a specific person. Not suppose to be anyway.

Price: About R4 900 (40GB), R5 100 (80GB), R5 600 (160GB).

and so is this.

Sure. And if you phone now...

 

[Ewie]

Why does the title even have xbox 360 in it. Should just have been

Info about the ps3.

 

[Johand]

Your are correct, context is important. This article obviously should not be on a site like MB. This was a mistake.

However, I would take you up on the argument that Wii users on MyBraodband are equal (or even close) in number to Xbox360/PS3/PC gamers...If that is what you are arguing?

No - I am making the point that you can't use MyBB surveys to make a point because they are not proven to be scientific.

They are lots of fun though. Same as slashdot surveys. Look at the disclaimer at the bottom of slashdot surveys:

This whole thing is wildly inaccurate. Rounding errors, ballot stuffers, dynamic IPs, firewalls. If you're using these numbers to do anything important, you're insane.

If I have to GUESS I will say there are more XBoxes/PlayStations in the country than Wii's - but I might be wrong. If that is the case we are bucking a worldwide trend. Funny enough that might be because of the lack of coverage of the Wii. But this is just my opinion