"**** ***, you bloody ******"

Since when is personal space part of white culture? Anyhow I will quote your source the wikipedia, ''******,****** or kafir, which once was a blanket term for black southern Africans (see ****** (historical usage in southern Africa)), is now used exclusively as an ethnic or racial slur ,

You don't seem to know it, but white people are soft-spoken, meaning we don't shout at each other since it is rude to raise the volume of your voice.
It is rude to stand too close to a person, white people demand a bigger personal space than black people. It is a certain cultural difference, I can't believe you have not realised it before?
A white child must not must not cause a scene or be in the way of others.

"exclusively as an ethnic or racial slur" I disagree, k* is also used as a swear word to denote people fitting the bill. My connotation with the word is synonymous with rude and arrogant, not skin colour per say.
It can better be explained to you by saying "Afrikaans Boer" and asking you what connotations you carry with the word?
There is English man, Zimbabwean which carries further associations, pleasant and unpleasant but there nonetheless.
The woman might just as well have used the word idiot under the circumstances, I don't believe it was racially motivated. It was a bad choice of words but hardly racism.

I spoke to an attorney, the woman may lay assault charges or sexual harassment charges. She can further claim she was provoked.
 
You don't seem to know it, but white people are soft-spoken, meaning we don't shout at each other since it is rude to raise the volume of your voice.
Nonsense. I've endured many a shouting match from Afrikaans white people in my suburb. I've also often seen an obnoxious white old lady shouting in a store at store assistants
It is rude to stand too close to a person, white people demand a bigger personal space than black people.
More nonsense. Most people yearn their own personal space. Also, most people realise that they're not always going to have their own personal space.
It is a certain cultural difference, I can't believe you have not realised it before?
And you base this nonsense on what research exactly? There is no fact in your fiction.
A white child must not must not cause a scene or be in the way of others.
Oh yes, that old adage: "children must be seen and not heard". How quaint.
"exclusively as an ethnic or racial slur" I disagree, k* is also used as a swear word to denote people fitting the bill.
NO. ******/******/kafir is now used exclusively as a racially loaded derogatory term specifically against one race group. That is by definition racist. I'm yet to see the word used against white people by white people.
My connotation with the word is synonymous with rude and arrogant, not skin colour per say.
Your definition of the word is incorrect. And if you use it (which I suspect you do), I am willing to bet my last dollar that you use it against one racial group exclusively.
It can better be explained to you by saying "Afrikaans Boer" and asking you what connotations you carry with the word?
So you rest your entire defense on a "connotation" raised by specifying both the culture and the race of a subject to back up your pathetic claim?
There is English man
A man from England
, Zimbabwean
a person from Zimbabwe
which carries further associations, pleasant and unpleasant but there nonetheless.
Reaching. Your argument holds no water at this point.
The woman might just as well have used the word idiot under the circumstances,
Bull****. She used the words "**** off you bloody ******" - and she chose to use those words. She used a racially charged phrase to inflict emotional damage on the man because of his skin colour.
I don't believe it was racially motivated.
Well, it was. Get with the program.
It was a bad choice of words but hardly racism.
It was entirely racially charged language. Any white person who in this day and age uses that word against black people in the belief that it is not racist is naive, stupid and entirely without any common sense.
I spoke to an attorney, the woman may lay assault charges or sexual harassment charges. She can further claim she was provoked.
It's her right to have her day in court - that doesn't mean she was right to be a public racist.
 
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You don't seem to know it, but white people are soft-spoken, meaning we don't shout at each other since it is rude to raise the volume of your voice.

unless of course if we are verbally abusing the black man at the bottom of the escalators...

you obviously never been to ellis park or absa stadium either...

i think what you may be reffering to is a class distinction not cultural but anyway...

your argument at best is thin but i'm not going to labour the point.

btw fyi Ghandi was considered a blatant racist
 
You don't seem to know it, but white people are soft-spoken, meaning we don't shout at each other since it is rude to raise the volume of your voice.
It is rude to stand too close to a person, white people demand a bigger personal space than black people. It is a certain cultural difference, I can't believe you have not realised it before?
A white child must not must not cause a scene or be in the way of others.

"exclusively as an ethnic or racial slur" I disagree, k* is also used as a swear word to denote people fitting the bill. My connotation with the word is synonymous with rude and arrogant, not skin colour per say.
It can better be explained to you by saying "Afrikaans Boer" and asking you what connotations you carry with the word?
There is English man, Zimbabwean which carries further associations, pleasant and unpleasant but there nonetheless.
The woman might just as well have used the word idiot under the circumstances, I don't believe it was racially motivated. It was a bad choice of words but hardly racism.

I spoke to an attorney, the woman may lay assault charges or sexual harassment charges. She can further claim she was provoked.

Unbelievable!!

Oh, and get a new attorney! He has given an opinion based on a news report! What foolishness. Sexual harrassment! Now thats just stupid.
 
btw fyi Ghandi was considered a blatant racist

So blame Ghandi! Take away his status and stature, break down his statue

@ the racist!
NO. ******/******/kafir is now used exclusively as a racially loaded derogatory term specifically against one race group. That is by definition racist. I'm yet to see the word used against white people by white people.
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So calling us "boerjies" and all the other terms you know very well is not racist at all. Its funny how clearly your racism stands out! Your intellect and hatred speaks bibles
 
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So blame Ghandi! Take away his status and stature, break down his statue

@ the racist!


So calling us "boerjies" and all the other terms you know very well is not racist at all. Its funny how clearly your racism stands out! Your intelect and hatred speaks bibles
You need to calm down NoADSLyet. Your abominable incoherent sprouting of nonsensical gibberish is seriously clouding your judgement. Where did I say it's fine to call anyone "boerjies"? What do Afrikaans people call themselves? I know one (a very close and good friend in fact) who calls himself a "Boer".

Calling a black person a ****** is a racist action, whether you want to admit it or not, it is.

Oh, and labeling me a racist because I disagree with you is so mature.
 
You guys are incredible. I love how the story goes from:

V&A Waterfront spokesperson Maureen Thompson said video footage showed Mabulu stepping aside for woman, but there was no recording of what was said.
... in the IOL report, to now suggestions that this woman lay charges for sexual harrasment against the guy? :D

I'm not saying that the IOL story is the verbatim truth, but it is interesting how in the absence of any other evidence, people are trying to defend this appalling woman.
 
You need to calm down NoADSLyet. Your abominable incoherent sprouting of nonsensical gibberish is seriously clouding your judgement. Where did I say it's fine to call anyone "boerjies"? What do Afrikaans people call themselves? I know one (a very close and good friend in fact) who calls himself a "Boer".

Calling a black person a ****** is a racist action, whether you want to admit it or not, it is.

Oh yeah, whatever suits your fancy, provoking is also a problem but you prefer to sidestep it. You only want to discuss how racist she is. So to strengthen your own ego you have to utter words like "Your abominable incoherent sprouting of nonsensical gibberish is seriously clouding your judgement"
Just agrees with the point I made! :sick:
 
Oh yeah, whatever suits your fancy, provoking is also a problem but you prefer to sidestep it. You only want to discuss how racist she is. So to strengthen your own ego you have to utter words like "Your abominable incoherent sprouting of nonsensical gibberish is seriously clouding your judgement"
Just agrees with the point I made! :sick:
There is NO evidence in the story to suggest that she was anything but racist. She called the person a "bloody ******". That, in the South African context, is nothing less than racism and perilously close to hate speech. So, unless you have something more concrete to add that shows that she was a) provoked and b) not in a position to choose her words more carefully, she is a blatant racist who does not deserve any defending.
 
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Oh, and labeling me a racist because I disagree with you is so mature.

Its the song you sing! Belaboring the same point to death. Trying to make out there is only white on black racism. There is a lot of black on white racism and the government is proving the point every day.

Its not the word, its the way the word is used and in what context. There are racists and then there are people that were raised under racist conditions that does not make them inherently racists just because they are white
 
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Its the song you sing! Belaboring the same point to death. Trying to make out there is only white on black racism. There is a lot of black on white racism and the government is proving the point every day.

Its not the word, its the way the word is used and in what context. There are racists and then there are people that were raised under racist conditions that do not make them inherently racists just because they are white
Don't put words in my mouth. You really should know better.
 
Nobody's innocent.

We don't have to love each other, we just have to co-exist.
 
The fact is that what she did was wrong and hurtful, and yes, racist. Now we don't know whether she went home after this to her Hitler shrine, eagerly tearing up pictures of black people whilst wearing a KKK outfit. But for those few moments in that mall, where she said those filthy words, she was a racist. There is no argument otherwise.

What I do find interesting, however, is that one can only be racist if they are white, and racist crimes can only be committed against a black person. I'm not using this particular story as "exhibit A", as such, but it is just somewhat interesting that whilst I was at University, the Dean (a black man) made an official statement in which he referred to the white male students on campus as "wandering around like white baboons". This didn't even make it into the back page of the university rag magazine, let alone cause any sensationalism throughout the country. There is so much racial hatred towards white people, none of which is ever allowed to be considered "racist", we just have to sit back and take it as to say something about it would have them label US as racist. How does that even make sense?

I will not be given a job over a black person. I am a white male and thus I am somehow less able to do my job? Sure we can all sprout "BEE", but the fact is that this has been going on for 13 years now, which means that a generation barely old enough to understand apartheid at the time are being given jobs before me. We have both had the same opportunities in education, so why then should they be given the job over me for being "previously disadvantaged"? I understand the need for affirmative action up to a point. But when the next generation is benefiting even though they weren't disadvantaged in the first place, it has gone too far. I was 7 years old when Apartheid ended, I had no idea what was going on past my Rambo action figurines and my Superman outfit. So all I feel when I lose out on a job because of the colour of my skin is anger, as if I am not good enough for their company just because I am not black. Isn't that a form of racism too?

Take two stories in the news recently; the Paterson family who had their house broken into and were horribly tortured
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=97161
and Marc Ishlove, who killed two hijackers in an attempt to save a woman's life.
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=96912

In the latter, Ishlove is being labeled a racist for killing two black men who were attempting to hijack a woman. He shot them trying to defend her. He is now being labeled a "gunslinging racist" in a wave of media sensationalism.

In the former, the Paterson daughter was raped repeatedly whilst the (black) men raping her were shouting "You f***ing white bitch."

Now my question is how can the former be construed as racism on radio talk shows, magazine articles and the like, whereas the latter, quite obviously a hate crime, is merely mentioned in passing in a news article?

Please don't think I am trying to condone the woman in the supermarket's actions, I am not. I think she is yet another bad apple causing this country to rot.
Racism goes both ways, and it saddens me that it is only noticed when perpetrated by a white person.
 
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Yawn, sticks and stones...
such a long thread for name calling.
Hate is hate, doesn't matter what the manifestation.
 
In the former, the Paterson daughter was raped repeatedly whilst the (black) men raping her were shouting "You f***ing white bitch."

Now my question is how can the former be construed as racism on radio talk shows, magazine articles and the like, whereas the latter, quite obviously a hate crime, is merely mentioned in passing in a news article?

Jeez kasyx, this same example has been covered in this thread already. The point is, the rapists' outburst is certainly racist / hate speech, but kinda pales in comparison to their action of raping the woman.

Should we rather be talking about what they said then about the crime that they committed?
 
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